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Subject: Re: Course/Certification Proliferation
From: awright@gs*.bt*.co*.uk* (Alan Wright)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 10:57:58 +0000
Greg Ryan wrote:

> Greg Dawe has made some interesting points about IANTD structures as
> they are now, and I think he has made a welcome contribution to this
> discussion.

I wasn't aware of this structure but it now helps me understand the
perspective from which some of the comments I received on the nitrox
Q&A were made.

In Scotland I don't think there is much of an issue. SSAC have a nitrox
course and it covers all recreational use of nitrox. That means any SSAC
sanctioned dive down to 50msw (165fsw) using whatever mix is appropriate
including staged decompression if necessary. As a historical note: SSAC
have been involved in the investigation into recreational use of nitrox
since the mid 1970's.

> Part of the problem, though, stems from IANTD's response to changes.
> I welcome their introduction of new courses to fill what they see
> as gaps in their training (and the market too I suppose).  But as
> a result, those who do the courses under the old structures remain
> in the dark about how they fit in under the new schemes.
>
> ...
>
> So when I did these courses, the structure Greg outlined did not exist.
> It was only in its formative stage.  I think IAND/IANTD needs to clarify
> how people who went through earlier incarnations of this system, with certain
> assumptions and guarantees about what their certification allowed them,
> now fit in with the current (and as I see it) rapidly evolving system.

I think there should be some form of grandfather rights issue whereby
you don't have to pay to qualify in something you have been doing all
the time. It would really bug me if I was suddenly stopped from diving
deeper than 130fsw because I didn't have a deep air certification. The
people who dream up these qualifications were not certified when they
put the course in place.

I do not hold the SSAC nitrox qualification, but I hold the same nitrox
certification as they had prior to becoming instructors so I would expect
to be either cross-certified as a right without payment or be recognised
as having the same rights as those doing the SSAC course. There will be
a stink if this doesn't happen.

Unfortunately this probably won't work outside the non-commercial club
system that we operate. However, IMO, if IANTD are truly "International"
they will have to take into account regional differences in training and
recognise that some people already have the prerequisites for some
courses and should not have to do them in order to do the more advanced
courses.

Alan

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