[This message is converted from WPS-PLUS to ASCII] Mr. Welzel, 1) ShallowScott was making a little poke at DeepDon, whoever he may be. These lists are the not the place claim you are a deep diver. Too many of these people go real deep. No comment on Raimo, Gilliam, Armantrout, Odom, et.al. My max is 254. An my real name is my username. I don't hide. Landon, J. Scott. 2) I am a cave diver. No, I am an Abe Davis cave diver. If you don't know what that is, it just reinforces my wannabe theory. 3) Since you've done it for 15 years, it's okay? Murphy is hot on your tail. Please leave me in your will for the steel tanks before your next deep blast on air. It's just not worth it. Are your doubles independents? 4) It's not cavers vs. tekkies or cavers vs. the world. It's a group of highly trained individuals trying to get the rest of the planet to wake up. I don't care if you notice me or not. I'll keep making serious cave dives and living, while certain individuals end up dead. It's cavers vs. strokes. Until you've made it through the four courses to get to full cave, you've got alot to learn. 5) I've done the NE wreck diving thing, so I've seen both sides. Personally, I don't know how the wreckers get off the boat without getting tangled, let alone penetrate anything besides the water's surface. They have so much useless garbage rigged in the most unorganized fashion. A cave diver can wreck dive. A wreck diver can't cave dive. I hated the salt water, the vis, the cold, the bouncing hang, and the 8-10 foot seas, but it was easy. They also have no concept of what real gas consumption is. The DM kept a cutesy little chart of entry/exit times with air pressure (who cares what my air pressure was if I made it back). Anyway, they thought I had misread my pressure gauge upon exiting. How could I have breathed so little? Hell, I wasn't even working. Why would I breath any gas. Make me swim Madison or Little River when they're pumping, and I'll breath some gas (maybe). 6) There really aren't that many big mouths in the cave diving community. There are a bunch of people that have figured out a lot of things over many years of very advanced diving. They are just trying to help you short circuit all of those years and cut straight to the dessert. Scott Landon
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