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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:35:08 -0400
To: kens@uf*.ed*
From: m.therrien@Ne*.qc*.ca* (Michel Therrien)
Subject: Re: MORE STUPIDITY FROM FARB was Just Plain Stupidityr
Cc: techdiver@terra.net

>(2) Narcosis has the subtle effect of making you believe your in 
>control. At first when you hit 170' it hits you like a shotgun blast 
>to the head, then after a minute, you feel you're ok. You feel like 
>you're now able to function ok. The problem is you're not, you just 
>think you are because you're getting aclimatized.

This might be true.  As I published on this list earlier this year, Dr.
Kevin Hamilton did a research at the DCIEM on dissociation between
behavioral and subjectives components of Nitrogen narcosis.  He found that
subjectively, after a few days (4), we get acclimatized (adaptation).
However, our capacity to perform does not increase under narcosis (no
adaptation).  

I can repost more complete information if needed.  As well, Dr. Hamilton is
available to answer more questions.


>(3) If you have a stress situation (emergency, entanglement, free 
>flow of octopus, whatever) you may find yourself suddenly losing that 
>mental control you just had a minute before. It's tougher to keep 
>focused on multiple tasks when you're narced.

I felt that once (in the beginning of my deep diving ventures), when I got a
small incident (one of the team mate left without telling) at 145 feet .
The stress induced by the incident provoked intense narcosis.  Now, on some
dives, I prefer to carry a 'buddy bottle'.  It requires less skills to
switch to the backup source of gas.



In your mail, you talk about personal limits.  Limits should depend on
standard, yes, but also on personal ability, comfort, training, equipment
used, methods, knowledge, experience and ability to accept risks.   Too
often, experienced people do not seek training or knowledge.  As a
consequence, they do not use the proper equipement, gas and techniques.
Divers that feel too comfortable are also at risk of exposing themselves to
perilous situations (should they not have the training, etc). 130 feet may
be ok for many divers, but I know many that should not dive deeper than 2
feet because of the other specified criteria.   One of the criteria which is
very hard to evaluate is the ability to accept risk... it seems that when
everything goes well, people don't think about the consequence of an
accident.  I am sure that people that faced the medical system after an
accident develop a higher respect to this criteria (ability to accept risk)
and also change their diving practice (at least, it happened to me and to R.
Pyle).

I follow the debate on what should the limit be with great interest.  IHMO,
we are getting a little bit more conservative than really needed (by trying
to set max ppo2 to 1.3-1.4ata and max ead to 130 feet).

Sincerly,

Michel Therrien
m.therrien@ne*.qc*.ca*

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