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I think the issue here is getting too clouded by egos. Several of us on this list have done enormous numbers of deep air dives to below 250. George gets pissed when these people get on the list and tell others that they have. The responsible thing to do here is NOT talk about the 300 deep air dives you have survived below 250 feet, because this type of "information" may kill some new tech diver hoping to emulate your accomplishments. It would seem that certain individuals can stand higher ppO2's than others, and maybe can hold their N2 buzzes a little better, but bragging about it is more like bragging about how you drove home in your car after drinking a quart of Tequilla (you could have died in a crash, but did'nt). Many drunks get away with drunk driving for many years, many always will. I think the "Deep on Air" thread should end in its present form. If any of us who have been deep diving air for 25 years want to keep doing it, we should keep it to our selves. When newbies ask us, we should say what's responsible, not what feels good to our ego, and say---"its not smart to dive air deeper than 130-150 ( depending on what your ego can endure since you are so proud of your hundreds of "safe" 280 foot air dives. If they ask,... Don't Tell..If you are to be emulated,( and if you really are good you will be) have new divers emulate the "you" if you were trying to be really SAFE. If they emulate "YOU--"the adrenaline junkie, the hard ass", many will die...So you really have to decide that maybe George is'nt so far off. In the old days many years ago, before he got the "religion" of not wishing to kill new divers who might "do as he did", George did enormous numbers of VERY DEEP air dives. I know, I did a number with him. But this was when we really did not know any better, and before the deaths of other divers started adding up. George saw people dying around him, and started an intellegent approach to preventing death at depth. Today I don't believe anyone has a better record of safety on the most extreme cave penetrations possible. George holds his ego in check, and tells people not to dive air over 130. And he has no problem dealing with the loss of the "kick" we get telling someone how easy it is for "us" to handle narcosis. So some of you guys are pissed off about the language. Since we are litterally talking about effecting the balance of "Life and Death" for many divers in the future, I think the language issue is unbelievably petty. The problem is egos. Lets start dispensing good advice. Dan Dan Volker SOUTH FLORIDA DIVE JOURNAL http://www.florida.net/scuba/dive 407-683-3592
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