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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:01:22 -0700
From: iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co* (IANTD )
Subject: deep limits 2
To: techdiver@terra.net
I just completed a phone conversation with George, and he misunderstood 
the intent of the post I put out yesterday. In fact because I had 
referenced the dives at the UM RSMAS he was concerned some may take it 
as an endorsement of diving below 200 feet on air.

To the contrary, This posting was intended to explain why IANTD offers 
deep training, the levels of deep training we offer and to estabalish 
our recommendations of trimix on dives below 180 feet and out position 
that trimix should be mandatory for dives below 200 feet. Trimx should 
also be used for all precision work. 

IANTD ACKNOWLEDGES DIVES DEEPER THAN 200 FEET ON AIR IS EXTREMELY 
DANGEROUS and should be avoided.

Diving below 200 on air is comparable to playing russian rulette, the 
gun will eventually go off. As I cited many of my friends who survived 
numerous deep air dives for years eventually had a off day and did not 
come back. I have assisted friends at depth who blacked out. Most deep 
air divers will cite instances where time distortion takes place, that 
is because part of our intellect has taken a nap.

When Im tempted to rip off a deep air dive beyond 200 feet I pull out a 
photo of 5 friends and myself who all but two are dead today from dives 
deeper than 200 feet. I'm one of the living ones in that photo and Dr. 
Dick Williams is the other and today he is practicing medicine in 
Thailand. In my own personal ultra deep dives at one time or another I 
have experienced every tox symptom other than a convulsion usually 
following some degree of exertion or a time factor exposure. This 
happen fast and while at rest one may feel perfect, yet one powere kick 
can change this to severe tox symptoms.I know because I have been 
there.

The deep air dives at the UM were tightly supervised and with continued 
on going training,. As referenced, the majority of those dives were 
between 180 and 200 with some to 240. In addition these were primairly 
data collecting dives with low exertion. They were not high exertion 
dives as experienced in cave and wreck exploration.

I hope this presents both IANTD's and my personal opnion of ultra deep 
air diving in a clearer light.

IANTD has a bumper sticker that I really beleive sums it up "Been there 
can't remember it, Been there, seen it, remember it TRIMIX"

Please limit your dive depths to those you have been trained to or 
through experience are qualified to and do not push dives deeper than 
200 feet on air and preferably no deeper than 180 feet. 

In overhead environments be more conservative.

Those of you on the net, how many of you are willing to stay within 
these limits and willing to use gas if a need to dive deeper exist. 

and

How many of you actually feel it is safe to dive deeper than 200 on 
air? 

Of those who do dive beyond 200 on air how many close calls have you 
had and how often have you had at least some symptoms?

Can we pursuade the majority of our deep air friends to limit there 
exposures to 180 to 200 on air? 

Please guys respond to these simple questions.

Remember although we discuss the problem of oxygen toxicity as a 
limiting factor to depth, then we discuss the problems associated with 
narcosis as a risk factor, and next we look at carbon dioxide retention 
as a risk factor it is the combined effects of all these gases and the 
physiological changes they produce which is additive that causes 
accidents on deep air. Your adaption or tolerance to any of these 
elements depends on your current physiolocical/psychological/ 
biochemical status and even emotions may alter this balance thus it is 
difficult to predicit a daily response. In the dark ages there was only 
air today we have the option of increased safety with mix. 

Yes trimix also has its own specific risk benefit evaluations. Deep 
diving is risky business period. You must complete a risk benefit 
analysis before pursuing deep dives. IANTD recommends the following 
evaluation for all dives.

RISK   CORRECTIVE ACTION   BENEFIT     VALUE (yes/no)
1
2
3etc
If the no's outweigh the yea's don't do the deed. You must be willing 
to pay the price. As often stated if you can't take the punishement, do 
not do the deed.

On the flip side I personally think any diver who goes to mix should be 
trained to and competent at a depth of 160 feet. Pleas provide your 
comments on this as well.

Safe diving to you,
Tom Mount     

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