After reading my own messages, I have offended myself and am unsubscribing. Besides, J.R. told my mother, and I will be in big trouble when I get home tonight. What really amuses me is the fact that if the offended wimps who write JR would spend as much time studying this sport as they do practicing to be nerds, they would agree with everything I say on here, and would understand the spirit in which it is intended. That is SAFETY and correct information. Anyone who wants to see good info without the nonsense should be on the "cavers" list, where most of the players have already graduated to reality. This is where I put my serious information. Cave diving just requires a few more things that everyone who dives should know about anyway. It then works for all types of diving. The "cave" side of the diving is actually rarely even mentioned. In that community , I generally don't get harrassed, so I don't harrass, but there is still the occasional Randy Borher on that list too, but there just isn't anyone there to defend them. Sallot, the guy who runs the list, is a serious cave diver and diver himself. I will unsubscribe in another message to the list server, and I do apologize to anyone who may REALLY have been offended (not idiots like Borher or Farb), but those who had to read my private messages that these guys replayed on the list. I do promise , however, to be right back and typically nasty if anyone replays my private stuff on the list, and I will not bother with the deep air responses, since I can see that there are enought smart people on this list to take care of that without my help. Raimo and others who know what you are talking about, copy cavers@co*.ci*.uf*.ed* with you messages, it will be much appreciated. - George Irvine
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