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I have developed quite an interest in the DCIEM tables after reading Lippman's
Deep into Diving. I recently saw an article in Underwater USA giving a US 
address to get them. I had asked Bill Mayne for a source but he didn't have
one. I just received my tables in the mail today and thought I would post the
address to order them from. For anyone else with an interest.

Publisher and Distributer:

Universal Dive Techtronics, Inc (UDT)
Suite 201
2691 Viscount Way
Vancouver, British Columbia V6V 1M9
Fax: 604-270-7278
Tel: 604-270-0812

Instructors may purchase the NAUI edition DCIEM tables from 
NAUI Canada
762 Gordan Baker Road
Toronto, Ontario M2H 3B4
Fax: 416-493-1036
Tel: 416-493-6284

United States:

	East:  Lifeguard Systems, Inc.
               P. O. Box 548
	       Hurley, New York 12443
	       Tel: 914-331-3383

(I ordered from these folks last Wednesday, the table arrived yesterday.)

	West:  Go Dive Products
	       164 North Bascom Ave.
	       San Jose, California 95128
	       Tel: 408-294-3383

Australia:	Hyperbaric Treatment Centre - Royal Adelaide Hospital
		North Terrace
		Adelaide, South Australia 5000
		Tel: (08) 223-0230

Jamaica:	Discovery Bay Marine Laboratory - Hyperbaric Centre
		P. O. Box 35
		Dicovery Bay, Jamaica, W.I.
		Tel: (809) 973-2241

French edition:	Quebec Diving Federation (FQAS)
		P. O. Box 1000
		Station M
		Montreal, Quebec H1V 3R2
		Tel: 514-252-3009


I paid US$ 9.95 plus $1.25 shipping and handling. The tables come on a very
nice heavy-duty plastic card (BC pocket size), along with an instruction
pamphlet and an instructors teaching guide. I don't have a computer and
dive tables all the time. I've been using the latest NAUI tables and don't
like the idea that they are just backed off US Navy tables. I've meet several
US Navy UDT-SEAL people and they just aren't normal people. Physically they
are in outstanding shape. (Definitely in some other than normal mental state,
but then look what they do...B-)  ) Any validation using people like them
just doesn't seem like playing fair to someone like me. (I sit in front of
a terminal all day with a phone glued to my ear. I am not at the peak of
my physical conditon. Probably like a lot of you!) Lippman is very neutral
on all the tables presented in Deeper into Diving but he does make it clear
that the DCIEM tables are well validated and have the lowest DCS incidence 
going. Validations were done by doing cold-water working dives and adjusted
to eliminate some problems with the initial model.

I used a copy of the tables (via Xerox magic) on a series of five dives over
four days this past weekend. It is normal for us to make a 3 minute stop at
15 ft for safety. Only one dive was even moderately deep and that was to
72 ft. We only dove to the limit of the NAUI table on the 72 ft dive. Their
were no major difference between the two tables in any dive except for the 
72 ft. dive. The NAUI table called for no stop. The DCIEM table called for
a 5 minute stop at 10 ft. All dives were square profile calculations. We 
tend to go to the deepest point to begin with on our dives and work our way
back into the shallows. Stops are usually taken sitting on the bottom at 15
ft, using a hangline off our float, or holding onto a kelp plant, and 
establihing positive buoyance so we don't drag the plant down. We're very
careful to use a big plant so we don't pull it loose. We didn't get bent this
weekend but it would have been interesting to do a doppler eval after the 
deep dive.

Anyway, for those interested there are the sources.

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