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From: <vonhagen@ma*.ls*.su*.fr*>
To: techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Conservatisme - was: Re: Re[4]: DCS and injury sites
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 18:05:05 +0000

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I started off programming in the actual stops in ProPlanner as a 
multi-level dive, but I later decided to throw in the extra conservatism 
and call it bottom time.  With my history of DCS, as long as I continue 
to be doing decompression dives (I really probably shouldn't), I want to 
throw in extra conservatism wherever I can.  Besides, the time difference 
isn't all that great - what's 15 or 20 minutes in a lifetime? ...especially 
if those 15 or 20 minutes can significantly extend one's lifetime.  My 
belief in the value of deep stops is very strong, so I view them as a 
conservative step to reduce DCS probability. This is what I do and what 
works for me.  Anyone who decides to try the same thing better be ready 
to handle the responsibility for *whatever* consequences result.

Aloha,
Rich

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Hi all,

I hesitated a long time, getting sometimes the impression that if you don't
do 730 dives a year you shouldn't even read this list ;). Then it is perhaps
not the place to discuss personal problems, but on the other hand one learns 
also by (good or bad) examples.

BUT

reading the above: 
>quote
what's 15 or 20 minutes in a lifetime?
>quote

I was doing the following 2 dives on one day:

26 m 20 mins on air, 5 mins decompression @ 3m
then 6 hours surface interval, basically eating lobster...(not much wine though:
1/2 glass)
then
23 m 25 mins on air, 5 mins decompression @ 3m.
The profiles were quite close to rectangular ones. All tables I consulted
about the profiles were giving no or only short decompression stops. 5 mins
ar so auite a lot of conservatism?

On the surface I had a funny fealing, then the left leg got paralised within
5 mins after surfacing. I was given normbaric oxygen, got a warm blanket
because I shivered a lot (not really what you should do after a
supposed DCI? The blanket I mean, not the shivering.).

After less than 30 mins of this (blanket + oxygen), all functionallity of the 
leg came back. No symptoms were observeable after these 30 mins. The ambulance 
doc said that it was not a decompression illness, and I got back to diving the 
day after.

3 months later I went to hospital not only to get the thing sorted out. They
did a lot of examinations, among these a magnet-resonnance-spin-tomogramme of 
the brain (or is there another expression in english??).

Well, the doc told me that there was a kind of a shadow in the middle brain
caused probably by a small bubble witch was the cause of the paralised leg.
No other neurological problems were seen, the ultrasonic exam of the heart
gave no indication for a foramen ovale (a hole in the wall, isn't it?).
The doc cleared me for diving, saying that it was just 'bad luck'. I don't know 
if there is really the shadow he mentionned, or if he found what he was looking
for not having another explanation.

What I think about it now:
- put in as much conservatism as you can
- sometimes there is good luck or bad luck involved as well, also depending on 
the individual ( my 3 dive buddies had no problems at all)

Any 2 cents?

juergen

vonhagen@ls*.su*.fr*

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