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From: 	Scott Cherf[SMTP:cherf@ci*.co*]
Sent: 	Tuesday, September 19, 1995 3:01 PM
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At 2:05 PM 9/19/95, Mike Zimmerman wrote:

>Anyway, "Zen" is a pretty good book so far (I'm almost done).  Thanks
>to Bill Gavin for bringing it up.

Since you've refernced the book already, I'll mention another part that
bears on this conversation.  I have to quote from memory as I've once
again loaned my only copy to someone.

`And what is good Phaedrus,
 and what is not good?
 Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?'

 R.M. Pirsig

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Dave:

Let go to what the issues are instead of quoting Pirsig.  Two real issues are 
relevant to this debate.

1) Platoian ideals - What is the prototypical diver?
2) Ascetics (spelling) - How do you appreciate the attainment of idealized 
diving

In teaching, students are not well informed on what is ideal and don't 
necessarily have any desire to attain perfect diving form.

Agencies basically, break up things into core groups of skills and say at this 
point students are competent to do X.  This is after they demonstrated 
competency in the skill set.

Here in this forum we talk about ideals, and how to become the prototypical 
diver.  What the agencies aren't doing well is organizing the coursework to 
teach diving.  We are caught up in teaching skills.  If they had some idea of 
what true form looks like they could be able to evaluate themselves better and 
stay out of trouble.  They'd know what competency is.  Not I have 
ultra-advanced quadmix -- I'm superior.

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