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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:54:02 EDT
From: john 015 <CC015012@BR*.br*.ed*>
Subject: Re: What's the last word on nitrox stratification?
To: techdiver@terra.net
>Posted on 19 Jun 1995 at 10:36:27 by /R=IML/R=AM/U=r_larocque/L=IML/TN=(

>When I first heard of blending nitrox using the partial pressure
>method, I was told that this leads to stratification in the tank.

Thermodynamic equilibrium doesn't depend on the initial conditions.

In a very careful analysis one would have to look into just how fast
a mixture reaches equilibrium but for gasses in a 10 liter bottle I
doubt you'll find any *change* in the mixture (gradients) if the fill
takes place through one orifice firing down into the common volume,
i.e, I assume the mix is near complete when the fill is over (except
maybe the last bit that entered as the valve was closed).

Now without giving any numbers it is also safe to say that the higher
the concentrations the slower the mixing.  Possibly by the time
we hit 3000 psi things mix a bit slower but on the other hand,
the dynamics and details of the filling itself will change
as the densities of the gasses increase.  I.e., it unlikely that
any sheltered pocket can exist.  Not only that, the process of
compression (filling that is) will force a new and different gas
into any virtual gas pocket that might "exist".

Working to our advantage (mixing) is the increase in temperature
throughout the fill.

Stratification will be present in the final state:
the densities of the gasses are different and subject to the force
of gravity but the problem will be no bigger than that in an ordinary
tank of air stored for a few days.

>In fact I think it would be very difficult to maintain an O2 and
>N2 gradient!
You mean without keeping them in separate compartments :-) ?
I'd say it is totally impossible at room temperature.


>But we still hear this argument quite often and, in Canada at least,
>there are many individuals (and maybe even a certification agency)
>that believe that stratification can happen and will cause O2 toxicity
>problems!?

Maybe the concept is used because there is another problem somewhere
in this method ?

john

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