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To: techdiver%terra.net@ef*.na*.na*.mi*
Subject: Re: unlabeled tanks
From: CONWAYJD@ef*.na*.na*.mi* (Conway, John)
Date: 16 Jun 95 12:22:30 EDT
Cc: undersea%gate.net@ef*.na*.na*.mi*
jOHN 

Thanks for responding, I think this is a similar situation as Visual 
inspections and hydro's, Hydro's are required by law while VIP's are an 
industry standard, Granted the industry standard makes safety sense and 
shops have a way of making things a requirement once they figure out that 
they can make money at it. Tank labeling I feel falls into this catagory, 
makes sense from a safety stand point but not required by law, However, I 
feel that because some shops havent figured a way to make money with it, 
or that they are scared that they will lose customers. Therfore they 
adjust their particular stand point based on making a short term benefit 
(sale) rather than a Long term continuous relationship (Client).  As a 
shop why wouldnt you want the customer to buy more equipment? This sets 
up conflict and confues the customer so in the long run the customers 
doesnt know who to believe so everyone  (read shops, recreational and 
Tech diving communities) loses a customer. ANDI and IANTD say the tanks 
should or must be labeled.



I feel that safety always makes sense especially when the cost is minimal 
such as labeling or dedicating a tank(s). Dive shops should note that 
this is also how they can make more money from technical diving.But the 
real reason is or should be SAFETY not profits.  We dont need OSHA or any 
other governmental body beating on our doors because we demonstrate that 
we ( the Dive Industry) are operating unsafely. If an individual is so 
worried about costs of equipment what does that say about the rest of 
that persons equipment, will it be adequate, will it be safe ? What does 
this say about a persons attitude toward safety?  Cuting corners is not 
the right attitude when your and maybe my life is at risk. Many (notice I 
didnt say all) laws are in place to protect us not to replace common 
sense (although it is not always common) or good judgement  - This is a 
personal belief not a comment about any other persons beliefs or habits



John I see your point and I have been on both sides of the issue, buyer 
and sell of nitrox with labeled and unlabeled tanks.  You mentioned about 
uninspected which I interpret as uncleaned tanks, Many places fill by 
partical pressure, putting 100 % in a dirty cylinder is a liability risk 
if that tank blows and hurts someone. You know,  standard of care, breach 
of duty, and damages, etc..... all that legal stuff

How do I know that tank is clean? How do I know if that tank is still 
clean after 20 fills at some other air station?  Your right, filling by 
another method would be better. Definitly no easy solution.



Once again I am not be critical or trying to impose my views just putting 
out comments for thought and discussion. Would like to hear how others 
are  handling this situation.



Also,  looking for detailed info on SSI's Nritox program or policy



Thanks and good diving

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