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From: <AVarouxis@ao*.co*>
Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:01:16 -0400
To: techdiver@terra.net
Subject: Fwd: subs penetrate
forwarded with permission


In a message dated 95-05-26 22:41:53 EDT, a028171t@bc*.se*.li*.fl*.us*
writes:

>It is very important to obtain plans for the sub if available and
>review 
>any photos of the exterior and interior.  If possible, visit a sub
>thats 
>in a museum of the same class as you plan to dive, such as the U-505
>in 
>Chicago if you are going to dive a Type IX-40C U-Boat.  Talk to other
>
>divers that have made dives on the same sub that you plan to dive.
>
>On your first dive plan on just surveying the outside, do not
>penetrate.  
>Get a lay of the sub.  Look for all openings that breach the pressure
>
>hull, also look for landmarks on the hull.  Remember that this ship
>has 2 
>pointy-ends, no blunt stern as a lamdmark.  Many subs are in low to
>poor 
>visibility waters, landmarks are extemely important.
>
>Most penetrations in subs are one way, you swim from one opening to 
>another and generally do not lay line.  You depend on landmarks to
>move 
>through the sub.  It is almost impossible to dive in a sub without 
>causing a silt-out.  The subs are generally filled with a very fine
>silt 
>and have rusty overheads along with no flow.  Your fins stir up the 
>bottom and your bubbles dislodge the fine rust from the overhead.
>You 
>just try to stay ahead of your silt.  If yoou find an interesting 
>artifact, you need to definitely have your exit planned.  Once you
>start 
>recovery, you will probably be in a silt out if the artifact is of
>any 
>consequence.
>
>Most sub divers tend to dive semi-solo.  that is to say that
>everybody 
>diving plans to dive different locations in the sub and check up on
>one 
>another when exiting.  Many sub dives are completed by the braille 
>method, without plans the dive would be worthless.
>

>
>Respectfully,
>Jay
>
>
>Jay Jeffries
>a028171t@bc*.se*.li*.fl*.us*

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From:	a028171t@bc*.se*.li*.fl*.us* (Jay Jeffries)
To:	AVarouxis@ao*.co*
Date: 95-05-26 22:41:53 EDT

I use to live in Rhode Island and probably have 300 dives on the U-853, 
40 dives on the L-8, and 50 dives on the U.S.S. Bass.  I have 1 dive on 
the U.S.S. Dragonet and 6 dives on the S-49.

There is a relatively small group of divers that are acutely interested 
in diving subs and their history.  I have a long history of subs in my 
family, Simon Lake the codeveloper of the sub is a distant relative, my 
father was on the convening board for the loss of the U.S.S. Thresher in 
1963, my step-father towed the U-977 around after WWII (the last 
U-Boat to surrender, Aug. 1945) while I served on nuclear subs.  My hobby 
is now diving subs and researching their history, I have several articles 
published.  My library on subs now probably runs 300+ books.

My diving quals include mix and full cave trained by Deans, Bozanic, and 
Fiorelli.  I am also a commercial diver.  Now that I have overly pumped 
myself up, sub diving techniques.

It is very important to obtain plans for the sub if available and review 
any photos of the exterior and interior.  If possible, visit a sub thats 
in a museum of the same class as you plan to dive, such as the U-505 in 
Chicago if you are going to dive a Type IX-40C U-Boat.  Talk to other 
divers that have made dives on the same sub that you plan to dive.

On your first dive plan on just surveying the outside, do not penetrate.  
Get a lay of the sub.  Look for all openings that breach the pressure 
hull, also look for landmarks on the hull.  Remember that this ship has 2 
pointy-ends, no blunt stern as a lamdmark.  Many subs are in low to poor 
visibility waters, landmarks are extemely important.

Most penetrations in subs are one way, you swim from one opening to 
another and generally do not lay line.  You depend on landmarks to move 
through the sub.  It is almost impossible to dive in a sub without 
causing a silt-out.  The subs are generally filled with a very fine silt 
and have rusty overheads along with no flow.  Your fins stir up the 
bottom and your bubbles dislodge the fine rust from the overhead.  You 
just try to stay ahead of your silt.  If yoou find an interesting 
artifact, you need to definitely have your exit planned.  Once you start 
recovery, you will probably be in a silt out if the artifact is of any 
consequence.

Most sub divers tend to dive semi-solo.  that is to say that everybody 
diving plans to dive different locations in the sub and check up on one 
another when exiting.  Many sub dives are completed by the braille 
method, without plans the dive would be worthless.

I should have sent this out to everyone, its got alittle long, and I 
probably beat my chest a little to much in the begining.  Feel free to 
snip out the first section and forward back to the list server.  If you 
have any questions, either one of my fellow sub divers or myself should 
be able to answer them.

Respectfully,
Jay


Jay Jeffries
a028171t@bc*.se*.li*.fl*.us*


On Fri, 26 May 1995 AVarouxis@ao*.co* wrote:

> I am interested in finding out how other wreck diversI am interested in
> finding out how other wreck divers penetrate subs, the
> techniques they use and their experiences in them.
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> Regards
> Alex
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> Alex Varouxis
> Associated Design and Manufacturing Co.
> 814 North Henry Street, Alexandria, VA 22314 USA
> (V) 703.549.5999  (F) 703.548.0919
> E-mail  avarouxis@ao*.co*
> E-mail alex1@ac*.di*.ne*
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