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Kapn Krunch Strikes Back! --or-- Return of the Droid! (First - my apologies to the people looking for a discussion of diving - but I could not pass up this comical opportunity.) Proselyte, it seems, does not mean 'a beginner at an activity', but rather 'stranger/newcomer to a religion'. What that has to do with the experience level of an individual in a given activity is beyond me. (You've 'outthunk' me again, big guy!) Apparently JT is well-versed in the New Testament or has dictionaries at his immediate disposal! (As the queen once remarked - 'We are not amused!') Continuing to follow the pearls of wisdom being littered about by the Kap'n, I attempted to decode another little gem: "neophyte as related to proselyte". I had no luck and had to give up as no real meaning could be gleamed from the phrase in question. Via a web search I found the following definition: "The English term 'proselyte' occurs only in the New Testament where it signifies a convert to the Jewish religion (Matthew 23:15; Acts 2:11; 6:5; etc.), though the same Greek word is commonly used in the Septuagint to designate a foreign sojourner in Palestine. Thus the term seems to have passed from an original local and chiefly political sense, in which it was used as early as 300 B. C., to a technical and religious meaning in the Judaism of the New Testament epoch.". If that is not an archaic definition I just don't know what is! A final bit of irony is that all email from the Kap'n comes from 'MINDSPRING.com'! :-) Perhaps the word 'troglodyte' is more appropriate. In fact, in trying to picture someone (who shall remain nameless) attempting to use 'them durn long words thur', I came across this image: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/assets/Troglodyte.jpg (I should warn the reader to put down any and all drinks first!) Whenever someone attempts to sound erudite in vain, funny things are bound to happen! Gene Avakyan (ex-ESL Student, Russian speaker, immigrant.....you get the drift...) --------------------------------------------- Direct examination of psychologically healthy people shows pretty clearly that they are positively attracted to the mysterious, to the unknown, to the puzzling and unexplained. This is noteworthy because it contrasts sharply with the psychologically sick person's tendency to be threatened by the unfamiliar, the ambiguous , the unknown. Maslow, "The need to know and the fear of knowing" General Journal of General Psychology. --------------------------------------------- "At least once every human being should have to run for his life, to teach him that milk does not come from the supermarket, that safety does not come from policemen, and that news is not something that happens to other people." - Robert Heinlein --------------------------------------------- >From: "Brian Hunter" <hunter49689@co*.ne*> >To: "'Capt JT'" <captjt@mi*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Subject: RE: neophyte definition >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:34:40 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc9-f23.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.166.30]) by >mc9-s7.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 7 Apr >2003 19:06:08 -0700 >Received: from fulton.opal.com ([198.3.124.1]) by mc9-f23.bay6.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:04:44 -0700 >Received: (mail@lo*) by fulton.opal.com (8.12.5/jr6.1) for >techdiver_x@aquanaut.comid h381Hmch007449; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:17:48 -0400 >Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by >fulton.opal.com (8.12.5/jr6.1) with ESMTP for <techdiver@aquanaut.com>id >h380Z55Y006492; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:35:06 -0400 >Received: from brian5w8khys98 ([68.13.203.62]) by lakemtao01.cox.net > (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP > id <20030408003436.RORX8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@br*>; >Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:34:36 -0400 >X-Message-Info: BVVQfv+dWoNGDvYIfOP2i6xEeqwdXnfJ >Precedence: bulk >Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >Message-ID: <000701c2fd66$a73316f0$3ecb0d44@br*> >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 >In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030407170830.0206a940@po*.mi*.co*> >Importance: Normal >Return-Path: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2003 02:04:45.0046 (UTC) >FILETIME=[39AC6160:01C2FD73] > > Yep that's about the way I see it. >Brian Hunter >-----Original Message----- >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:00 PM >To: Brian Hunter; techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: neophyte definition > >Brian, the definition of neophyte is 1) a new convert: proselyte >2)novice >3)beginner >Proselyte: a new covert to a religion,belief, or party. > >My uses cover all depending on who I am talking to, you can be >experienced >in diving and I may call you neophyte as related to proselyte in regards >to >DIR diving as it would be new to you. The inexperience in diving >neophyte >is truly a novice/beginner. >You fall into all and it is an easy call on you. >First lets talk about truth, anyone who will publicly claim to always >have >perfect dives is just blowing smoke or having fun. Anyone who believes >this, is a neophyte. Anyone who cannot accept the fact that they are not > >ready when the majority says other will not ever break out of the >neophyte >status. I do not mean the bullshit that gets posted on these list. >Lets look at the VBtech meeting the other night. There were 3 there that >I >had called neophyte on the net or emails in private. Each fit one or >more >of the definitions stated and clearly at least one was a neophyte in >regards to team and trust. >Now why you still are labeled neophyte, when you came to dive with us >for >the first time you asked Tom to sign your log book......he quickly noted > >and told me the number of logged dives you had and you stated nothing >past >130ft to me. Now you have signed up with Dave for Trimix and told him >something different so to seem more qualified for the class. Clearly we >talk to each other and the safety of the divers is our concern. At the >end >of the meeting you were under the impression we were doing or planning >dives without including you. And pressed the issue on weather we would >let >you go. Never did you hear, even as it was said by almost everyone that >we >could not turn you loose on certain dives, we do many many more shallow >dives than deep as this will prepare you better in the long run. You >could >not understand that someone in our group is always on the boats and >there >are no secret dives. I may chose to hold off on details of my personal >plans as to many rumors are passed by those who think it is inside info >or >cool to pass on. The way you break out of the neophyte status is trust, >who >is willing to trust their life with you on a technical dive and not be >paid >by you to do it. Clearly on a dive of a technical nature which depths >exceed your mental and skills capabilities no diver but of equal status >will want to dive with you. Because you will be the weak link and risk >of >the dive. The experienced diver will know that he can help you, but you >will be of little help to him in a crisis thus a majority of his dive >will >be baby sitting and worry, thus placing limits on his own dive >perimeters. >Time at depth has a direct relationship to ones comfort zone. >Often divers will push this comfort zone as long as they can handle the >mental aspects of it, those that can't handle it will injure themselves >during a crisis while never able to hold it together long enough to >solve >the problem. Most problems solved are only a buddy away. > >Hope I was able to explain my view on this and there are not many errors >have a nice day > > > At 02:59 PM 4/7/03 -0400, Brian Hunter wrote: > >Well JT, since I am new to diving deeper I would like to know what it > >takes to break out of the "neophyte" status. I believe you even called > >me this once. So please tell us. > > I think Mike has made some good points. I don't think that the F ups > >one makes in the past should count against anyone as long as they learn > >from them and don't continue doing it over and over expecting different > >results. I think this is what some leaders in the DIR community define > >as a stroke. > > Hopefully the "Truth" will prevail in the end. > > Brian > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Michael Barnette [mailto:aocfishman@ho*.co*] > >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:22 PM > >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > >Subject: JT, the artful dodger > > > >Well howdy to you JT - > > > >Golly gee, I guess I got your number of dives wrong. Pray tell, just > >how > >many dives below 150fsw have you done? I don't want to get it wrong or > >put > >words in your mouth (I wouldn't know where to begin), so just answer > >this > >one nagging question with a number. That should be pretty simple, even > >for > >a flunkie like you. > > > >The heat is not on me. You can try and say that I am the one suffering > >here > >and "twisting", but I think the entire list sees what is going on here. > >I > >am really enjoying this. I have been straight-forward, truthful, and > >open > >about my diving history. You on the other hand have been nebulous, > >obfuscatory, and deceptive. Just give us a number and we will leave it > >at > >that. As I stated, even if you double the number of dives from your > >list > >and the ones that showed up as trip reports on VBTECH and TECHDIVER, it > >is > >still well below 100. I am sure we all understand that there are some > >40-50 > >dives that are somehow unaccounted for due to you not yapping about > >them, > >being as modest as you are and all. The truth is your website is more > >accurate than you think or want to believe right now. > > > >By the way, who was your trimix instructor, what agency were you > >certified > >through, and what is your trimix card number? > > > >JT, don't worry, we are not trying to emulate you or "keep up." We all > >understand that this is not a competitive sport and there is no need to > >"keep up." Obviously you don't. I am perfectly content doing my > >"weenie" > >dives and documenting new, unexplored shipwrecks. > > > >Is anyone keeping count of the number of times JT has tried to worm out > >of > >answering how many technical dives he has done? I am sure it exceeds > >the > >number of his technical dives.... > > > >Your turn JT...I told you this would not go away. > > > >Standing by, > >Mike > > > >Michael C. Barnette > >Association of Underwater Explorers > >Because it's there...somewhere...maybe. > >http://www.mikey.net/aue > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >the >water" >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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