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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C2FC7B.45DD4060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Now I hear some rumors about a 50-minute dive on the Ostfriesland, = >complete with a deco habitat, just so you can say you did a longer dive = >than JJ did at depth on the Britannic. Awesome stuff there JT! Are you = >going to do the extended dive so you can try and determine what=20 > really sunk the Ostfriesland?? I hereby nominate JT for a Darwin Award. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Michael Barnette" <aocfishman@ho*.co*> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: RE: Fatal Depth > Hi JT- >=20 > >Mike as usual you are full of shit. You are right about the year with = DQ,=20 > >but that is it. I have for your benefit added a couple of photos to = my=20 > >site, they have the Lobster in question and the date on the photo = along=20 > >with the guy who got it......not me. >=20 > Man, the truth changes again. Blame it on someone else. At the time = you=20 > were boasting it was *your* lobster. I did not see any other person = with=20 > you from your charter that day in the parking lot. For fuck sake, I = need a=20 > program to keep up with all your "edits" and digressions. BTW, is it = legal=20 > or illegal to spear lobsters? As a USCG certified captain (and I use = that=20 > term lightly when referring to you) running dive charters you should = know=20 > that answer. Instead of answering the question, go ahead and turn it = back=20 > on me about the artifacts (yes, you are that predictable). >=20 > >Now as for me and my boat..... when you call see if he has the balls = to=20 > >admit he asked me to run for his shop when it first opened and Dusty = asked=20 > >me to Capt his boat before he stopped booking through there. >=20 > JT, this has nothing to do with anything. It still was a POS 6-pack. >=20 > >Then ask about the last time I came in there and I caught him saying=20 > >bullshit that was not true about an accident on the Miss Lindsey and = he did=20 > >not know I was on the boat when it happened and I confronted him to = his=20 > >face over it. I have my witnesses who were there when this happened. >=20 > Wasn't there and it has nothing to do with my original post. Keep to = the=20 > program please. I was in the parking lot. I saw the speared lobster = (which=20 > at the time you said was yours). I saw you come in several times into = the=20 > shop and wouldn't stay away from the fill station and yapping about = the "JT=20 > show." It was funny when you would come in as everyone would scatter = like=20 > someone just farted. Then I would realize it was just you. I helped = put up=20 > the "JT chain." I noticed you didn't come in anymore after we called = you a=20 > moron. What happened to me not knowing how to fill your doubles? = Give it a=20 > rest jackass. >=20 > >Get your dive buddy who sent me the photos of you guys removing = artifacts=20 > >off the Vitric when you thought it was a protected wreck, have him = give me=20 > >permission to place them on my site since he has his copy right mark = on=20 > >them and everyone will see the real you or are you the pussy I say = you are=20 > >and won't do it. I will not altar them or change them.......the title = he=20 > >put on them says it all. Just have him give me permission is all I = need. >=20 > JT, again here we go on another predictable bug hunt. Yeah, I guess = this=20 > was the time I threatened you to keep your mouth shut, as you stated = in=20 > another post, right? More JT bullshit. Speaking of that dive, what = did you=20 > tell me in regard to my trip report -- something like "you were real = nice"=20 > about what happened to you on that dive? Like when you ignored our = advice=20 > not to take your POS scooter past its depth rating on that wreck. = What=20 > happened? It flooded, resulting in you and one other diver adding a = bunch=20 > of gas to recover that POS. Your arrogance and ignorance could have = led to=20 > a bad situation. Again, you just don't get it, instead playing it off = that=20 > the scooter was "expendable." I guess you feel the same way about = your=20 > fellow divers. Or when you lost your knife, or when your light = screwed up,=20 > or you holding on to the line for dear life as you had no buoyancy = skills,=20 > or when you soaked in the water all day long as you had (and have) no = clue=20 > about decompression (sure, it was the low O2)? Jesus, you were a=20 > clusterfuck. That's what we should really be discussing, and what a = lot of=20 > people asked you nicely about. Such as how many dives you have done, = how=20 > many trimix dives did you do before doing something like the = Ostfriesland=20 > and Frankfurt, etc. (ect. ect)? >=20 > I think everyone is getting tired of your "truths" [e.g., JT's "truth" = on=20 > your 2001 Doria dives: "I spent most of the day in my bunk recovering = from=20 > a taskful dive" and "I also remained in seclusion on this trip, not = happy=20 > with my actions and not happy with the actions of one of my crew on a=20 > personal note , we did not speak to each other unless we had to, more = stress=20 > for me. I was not having a good time." The **real truth**: you were = bent=20 > and on O2 in your bunk.]. >=20 > But getting back to your post. Again all lies (I apologize as I = understand=20 > that saying "your posts" and then "lies" is a bit redundant). We = never=20 > thought it was protected, so just quit lying about that. Why don't = you=20 > relate the actual and truthful conversation that went on during the = boat=20 > ride out, when everyone asked if it was or wasn't protected? What did = I say=20 > about the 300fsw contour? Jesus JT, you are an intellectual nitwit. = If you=20 > had such a problem, and think we truly had premeditated anything = illegal,=20 > why didn't you say anything at the time? Check with those in the = know, and=20 > you will see that the right thing was done once it was realized a = mistake=20 > was made (it was all documented). At the time, *even they* thought it = was=20 > not protected and outside of the boundaries. I think I have told you = this=20 > in the past, but you refuse to accept it. >=20 > So, I think that covers all the bases, you want to bring up the = accident or=20 > supposed "cover-up" now, or will you ever answer any of the simple and = > direct questions asked of you by numerous people on the list? >=20 > Again, you calling anyone a neophyte is a joke. Just because you = *survived*=20 > a 400-foot dive does not make you a good diver. Do you get that? =20 > Apparently not. Now I hear some rumors about a 50-minute dive on the=20 > Ostfriesland, complete with a deco habitat, just so you can say you = did a=20 > longer dive than JJ did at depth on the Britannic. Awesome stuff = there JT! =20 > Are you going to do the extended dive so you can try and determine = what=20 > really sunk the Ostfriesland?? I really hope that is just an April = Fool's=20 > joke. Besides, you still have to come back to Florida to dive on that = > 470fsw U-boat of yours (you know, the "sub" off Boynton). I can't = wait for=20 > you to see what it really is. >=20 > You have not done anything of note (not implying that I have, so don't = get=20 > your panties in a wad. Remember, I am a neophyte). All your boasting = is a=20 > tad funny, considering you are simply following in other's footsteps. = All=20 > the dives you have done were several years after initial exploration = by=20 > other trailblazers, but with the HUGE difference that you have the = access to=20 > proper gasses, information about decompression, etc. (ect., ect.). = But, all=20 > you can do is try and take cheap shots at them while you try = desperately to=20 > make a name for yourself. In any case, with all this information, = better=20 > tables, etc. (ect., ect.), it *should* be easier for you JT, don't you = get=20 > that? You are nothing but an illiterate hack that has yet to explore=20 > anything new. Whoops, almost forgot that fishing vessel of yours. = Bravo! >=20 > I think I have fairly answered most of your claims. Yet, you = predictably=20 > fail to answer one simple and direct question posed to you from = multiple=20 > posters on this list. Instead, you always find a segue or try and = "expose"=20 > someone so as to take the embarrassing spotlight off you. This is not = going=20 > to go away. >=20 > 1. How many technical dives have you done? Please exclude the = air/air BS=20 > (such as when you almost became the second fatality on the Ocean = Venture on=20 > that one trip back in '96 or '97). Just to give a clear delineation, = let's=20 > just include all helium-based dives below 150fsw. I really don't care = about=20 > max depth or other silliness; let's just focus on proficiency. Why = don't=20 > you break it down by year also? Thanks buddy. >=20 > I won't hold my breath, as I don't think you will ever answer this = question.=20 > But, as you stated, anyone can go onto your website to quickly add = up all=20 > those technical dives of yours. I think I didn't have to use anything = more=20 > than my two hands and two feet to cover most of them, definitely not = more=20 > than my two hands for any one year. Just to give you a benchmark, so = you=20 > might someday get a clue, Billy Deans accumulated 438 dives on the = Wilkes=20 > Barre alone. That's just one wreck. Even if you cut that in half, or = even=20 > take 25% of that, you fall so far short of that it is preposterous for = you=20 > to call anyone a neophyte. >=20 > Your infatuation with depth and time is going to get you, or more=20 > importantly, someone else that doesn't know any better, killed. Most = people=20 > that are doing 400-500fsw+ dives these days don't do a lot of = advertising or=20 > boasting (there is a fair bit of deep stuff going on, here and abroad, = in=20 > case you didn't know) as they realize that it is not something you = want to=20 > encourage new divers to quickly pursue. For fuck's sake, even your = fellow=20 > VBTECH boys are trying to get that point across to you. >=20 > So, go ahead and cry me a river. Scream to the heavens that I am = lying. Go=20 > ahead and call me whatever nifty redneck insult you can. Go ahead and = try=20 > to post more of your "truths" to expose me. Go ahead and digress,=20 > embellish, stupefy, and outright lie to avoid coming to the = realization that=20 > you yourself, are nothing more than a neophyte. >=20 > Oh, and be sure to have a r-e-a-l swell day. > Happy Birthday Jackass! >=20 > Your friend for life, > Mike >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* =20 > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C2FC7B.45DD4060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>Now I hear some rumors about a = 50-minute dive=20 on the Ostfriesland, >complete with a deco habitat, just so you = can say=20 you did a longer dive >than JJ did at depth on the = Britannic. =20 Awesome stuff there JT! Are you >going to do the extended dive = so you=20 can try and determine what <BR>> really sunk the = Ostfriesland??</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>I hereby nominate JT for = a Darwin=20 Award.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Michael Barnette" <</FONT><A=20 href=3D"mailto:aocfishman@ho*.co*"><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>aocfishman@ho*.co*</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>techdiver@aquanaut.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:27 = PM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: RE: Fatal = Depth</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>> Hi JT-<BR>> <BR>> >Mike as usual you are full of = shit. You=20 are right about the year with DQ, <BR>> >but that is it. I have = for your=20 benefit added a couple of photos to my <BR>> >site, they have the = Lobster=20 in question and the date on the photo along <BR>> >with the guy = who got=20 it......not me.<BR>> <BR>> Man, the truth changes again. = Blame it on=20 someone else. At the time you <BR>> were boasting it was *your* = lobster. I did not see any other person with <BR>> you from = your=20 charter that day in the parking lot. For fuck sake, I need a = <BR>>=20 program to keep up with all your "edits" and digressions. BTW, is = it legal=20 <BR>> or illegal to spear lobsters? As a USCG certified captain = (and I=20 use that <BR>> term lightly when referring to you) running dive = charters you=20 should know <BR>> that answer. Instead of answering the = question, go=20 ahead and turn it back <BR>> on me about the artifacts (yes, you are = that=20 predictable).<BR>> <BR>> >Now as for me and my boat..... when = you call=20 see if he has the balls to <BR>> >admit he asked me to run for his = shop=20 when it first opened and Dusty asked <BR>> >me to Capt his = boat=20 before he stopped booking through there.<BR>> <BR>> JT, this has = nothing=20 to do with anything. It still was a POS 6-pack.<BR>> <BR>> = >Then=20 ask about the last time I came in there and I caught him saying <BR>> = >bullshit that was not true about an accident on the Miss Lindsey and = he did=20 <BR>> >not know I was on the boat when it happened and I = confronted him to=20 his <BR>> >face over it. I have my witnesses who were there when = this=20 happened.<BR>> <BR>> Wasn't there and it has nothing to do with my = original post. Keep to the <BR>> program please. I was in = the=20 parking lot. I saw the speared lobster (which <BR>> at the time = you=20 said was yours). I saw you come in several times into the <BR>> = shop=20 and wouldn't stay away from the fill station and yapping about the "JT = <BR>>=20 show." It was funny when you would come in as everyone would = scatter like=20 <BR>> someone just farted. Then I would realize it was just = you. =20 I helped put up <BR>> the "JT chain." I noticed you didn't come = in=20 anymore after we called you a <BR>> moron. What happened to me = not=20 knowing how to fill your doubles? Give it a <BR>> rest = jackass.<BR>>=20 <BR>> >Get your dive buddy who sent me the photos of you guys = removing=20 artifacts <BR>> >off the Vitric when you thought it was a = protected wreck,=20 have him give me <BR>> >permission to place them on my site since = he has=20 his copy right mark on <BR>> >them and everyone will see the real = you or=20 are you the pussy I say you are <BR>> >and won't do it. I will not = altar=20 them or change them.......the title he <BR>> >put on them says it = all.=20 Just have him give me permission is all I need.<BR>> <BR>> JT, = again here=20 we go on another predictable bug hunt. Yeah, I guess this <BR>> = was the=20 time I threatened you to keep your mouth shut, as you stated in <BR>> = another=20 post, right? More JT bullshit. Speaking of that dive, what = did you=20 <BR>> tell me in regard to my trip report -- something like "you were = real=20 nice" <BR>> about what happened to you on that dive? Like when = you=20 ignored our advice <BR>> not to take your POS scooter past its depth = rating=20 on that wreck. What <BR>> happened? It flooded, resulting = in you=20 and one other diver adding a bunch <BR>> of gas to recover that = POS. =20 Your arrogance and ignorance could have led to <BR>> a bad = situation. =20 Again, you just don't get it, instead playing it off that <BR>> the = scooter=20 was "expendable." I guess you feel the same way about your = <BR>> fellow=20 divers. Or when you lost your knife, or when your light screwed = up,=20 <BR>> or you holding on to the line for dear life as you had no = buoyancy=20 skills, <BR>> or when you soaked in the water all day long as you had = (and=20 have) no clue <BR>> about decompression (sure, it was the low = O2)? =20 Jesus, you were a <BR>> clusterfuck. That's what we should = really be=20 discussing, and what a lot of <BR>> people asked you nicely = about. Such=20 as how many dives you have done, how <BR>> many trimix dives did you = do=20 before doing something like the Ostfriesland <BR>> and Frankfurt, = etc. (ect.=20 ect)?<BR>> <BR>> I think everyone is getting tired of your = "truths" [e.g.,=20 JT's "truth" on <BR>> your 2001 Doria dives: "I spent most of = the day=20 in my bunk recovering from <BR>> a taskful dive" and "I also remained = in=20 seclusion on this trip, not happy <BR>> with my actions and not happy = with=20 the actions of one of my crew on a <BR>> personal note , we did not = speak to=20 each other unless we had to, more stress <BR>> for me. I was not = having a=20 good time." The **real truth**: you were bent <BR>> and = on O2 in=20 your bunk.].<BR>> <BR>> But getting back to your post. Again = all=20 lies (I apologize as I understand <BR>> that saying "your posts" and = then=20 "lies" is a bit redundant). We never <BR>> thought it was = protected, so=20 just quit lying about that. Why don't you <BR>> relate the = actual and=20 truthful conversation that went on during the boat <BR>> ride out, = when=20 everyone asked if it was or wasn't protected? What did I say = <BR>>=20 about the 300fsw contour? Jesus JT, you are an intellectual = nitwit. =20 If you <BR>> had such a problem, and think we truly had premeditated = anything=20 illegal, <BR>> why didn't you say anything at the time? Check = with=20 those in the know, and <BR>> you will see that the right thing was = done once=20 it was realized a mistake <BR>> was made (it was all = documented). At=20 the time, *even they* thought it was <BR>> not protected and outside = of the=20 boundaries. I think I have told you this <BR>> in the past, but = you=20 refuse to accept it.<BR>> <BR>> So, I think that covers all the = bases, you=20 want to bring up the accident or <BR>> supposed "cover-up" now, or = will you=20 ever answer any of the simple and <BR>> direct questions asked of you = by=20 numerous people on the list?<BR>> <BR>> Again, you calling anyone = a=20 neophyte is a joke. Just because you *survived* <BR>> a = 400-foot dive=20 does not make you a good diver. Do you get that? <BR>> = Apparently=20 not. Now I hear some rumors about a 50-minute dive on the <BR>> = Ostfriesland, complete with a deco habitat, just so you can say you did = a=20 <BR>> longer dive than JJ did at depth on the Britannic. = Awesome stuff=20 there JT! <BR>> Are you going to do the extended dive so you = can try=20 and determine what <BR>> really sunk the Ostfriesland?? I = really hope=20 that is just an April Fool's <BR>> joke. Besides, you still = have to=20 come back to Florida to dive on that <BR>> 470fsw U-boat of yours = (you know,=20 the "sub" off Boynton). I can't wait for <BR>> you to see what = it=20 really is.<BR>> <BR>> You have not done anything of note (not = implying=20 that I have, so don't get <BR>> your panties in a wad. = Remember, I am a=20 neophyte). All your boasting is a <BR>> tad funny, considering = you are=20 simply following in other's footsteps. All <BR>> the dives you = have=20 done were several years after initial exploration by <BR>> other=20 trailblazers, but with the HUGE difference that you have the access to = <BR>>=20 proper gasses, information about decompression, etc. (ect., ect.). = But,=20 all <BR>> you can do is try and take cheap shots at them while you = try=20 desperately to <BR>> make a name for yourself. In any case, = with all=20 this information, better <BR>> tables, etc. (ect., ect.), it *should* = be=20 easier for you JT, don't you get <BR>> that? You are nothing = but an=20 illiterate hack that has yet to explore <BR>> anything new. = Whoops,=20 almost forgot that fishing vessel of yours. Bravo!<BR>> = <BR>> I=20 think I have fairly answered most of your claims. Yet, you = predictably=20 <BR>> fail to answer one simple and direct question posed to you from = multiple <BR>> posters on this list. Instead, you always find a = segue=20 or try and "expose" <BR>> someone so as to take the embarrassing = spotlight=20 off you. This is not going <BR>> to go away.<BR>> <BR>> = 1. =20 How many technical dives have you done? Please exclude the air/air = BS=20 <BR>> (such as when you almost became the second fatality on the = Ocean=20 Venture on <BR>> that one trip back in '96 or '97). Just to = give a=20 clear delineation, let's <BR>> just include all helium-based dives = below=20 150fsw. I really don't care about <BR>> max depth or other = silliness;=20 let's just focus on proficiency. Why don't <BR>> you break it = down by=20 year also? Thanks buddy.<BR>> <BR>> I won't hold my breath, = as I=20 don't think you will ever answer this question. <BR>> But, as = you=20 stated, anyone can go onto your website to quickly add up all <BR>> = those=20 technical dives of yours. I think I didn't have to use anything = more=20 <BR>> than my two hands and two feet to cover most of them, = definitely not=20 more <BR>> than my two hands for any one year. Just to give you = a=20 benchmark, so you <BR>> might someday get a clue, Billy Deans = accumulated 438=20 dives on the Wilkes <BR>> Barre alone. That's just one = wreck. =20 Even if you cut that in half, or even <BR>> take 25% of that, you = fall so far=20 short of that it is preposterous for you <BR>> to call anyone a=20 neophyte.<BR>> <BR>> Your infatuation with depth and time is going = to get=20 you, or more <BR>> importantly, someone else that doesn't know any = better,=20 killed. Most people <BR>> that are doing 400-500fsw+ dives = these days=20 don't do a lot of advertising or <BR>> boasting (there is a fair bit = of deep=20 stuff going on, here and abroad, in <BR>> case you didn't know) as = they=20 realize that it is not something you want to <BR>> encourage new = divers to=20 quickly pursue. For fuck's sake, even your fellow <BR>> VBTECH = boys are=20 trying to get that point across to you.<BR>> <BR>> So, go ahead = and cry me=20 a river. Scream to the heavens that I am lying. Go <BR>> = ahead=20 and call me whatever nifty redneck insult you can. Go ahead and = try=20 <BR>> to post more of your "truths" to expose me. Go ahead and = digress,=20 <BR>> embellish, stupefy, and outright lie to avoid coming to the = realization=20 that <BR>> you yourself, are nothing more than a neophyte.<BR>> = <BR>>=20 Oh, and be sure to have a r-e-a-l swell day.<BR>> Happy Birthday=20 Jackass!<BR>> <BR>> Your friend for life,<BR>> Mike<BR>> = <BR>>=20 <BR>>=20 _________________________________________________________________<BR>>= STOP=20 MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* <BR>> = </FONT><A=20 href=3D"http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail"><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail</FONT></A><BR>&l t;FON= T=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> <BR>> </FONT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C2FC7B.45DD4060-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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