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--part1_4b.2ca91405.2bb918c2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In about 1989, the Gunilda, lying at a depth of 260' near Rossport, Ontario, in Lake Superior was seldom dived, and very few divers actually made it to the wreck itself. At least two divers died attempting it. There was this knowledge, plus the possibility of finding preserved bodies still on the wreck that spooked divers. The depth, and the gases used to dive the luxury liner, the cold Lake Superior water, and in particular the reality of decompression in cold water, served to make the dive less accessible. With more current techniques and appropriate gases, things change a lot. Daryl Ertel and Matt Turchi surveyed the wreck in 1993 and 1994. There is a recent article in Quest and on the GUE site about a team who dived the wreck in 2000. There is still only a small number od divers who have dived it. The success/failure ratio may still be higher than the Andrea Doria, just because of the small sample of divers diving it. Unlike reporters who like to create drama for their articles, I don't consider the Andrea Doria to be the "Mount Everest of diving". I think we need a more elusive target. Maybe the Fitzgerald, maybe something else. The Doria has a mystique and an allure, and then of course, there is "china fever". Many divers have dived it (although I have not). It is accessible, especially if done right. It is also notorious, mainly because people have not done it right. "The Last Dive" is a testament to that. Jan In a message dated 3/30/2003 10:41:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca* writes: > Well, given the size of the sample population, it is likely a useless > statistic. > > > For example, what do you think of this: > "I think everyone should dive the Edmund Fitzgerald. She sits under 529' > of ice cold water and is extremely safe to dive since it has a 0% mortality > rate." > > Only one person has dived the wreck, and it was a "successful" dive. > > Most wrecks don't get enough divers to collect accurate data as the Fitz > example illustrates. > > ss > > > On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Glen Hunt wrote: > > > > >>In my opinion, a good focal point for Andrea Doria deaths. > > > >Out of curiosity, which wrecks have the highest mortality rate for divers? > > > >Glen ------------------ Visit my web site with underwater and other photos at http:\\members.aol.com\jsuw3\index.html --part1_4b.2ca91405.2bb918c2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#800040" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY= =3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In about 1989, the Gunilda, ly= ing at a depth of 260' near Rossport, Ontario, in Lake Superior was seldom d= ived, and very few divers actually made it to the wreck itself. At lea= st two divers died attempting it. There was this knowledge, plus the p= ossibility of finding preserved bodies still on the wreck that spooked diver= s. The depth, and the gases used to dive the luxury liner, the cold La= ke Superior water, and in particular the reality of decompression in cold wa= ter, served to make the dive less accessible. <BR> <BR> With more current techniques and appropriate gases, things change a lot.<BR> <BR> Daryl Ertel and Matt Turchi surveyed the wreck in 1993 and 1994. There= is a recent article in Quest and on the GUE site about a team who dived the= wreck in 2000.<BR> <BR> There is still only a small number od divers who have dived it. The su= ccess/failure ratio may still be higher than the Andrea Doria, just because=20= of the small sample of divers diving it.<BR> <BR> Unlike reporters who like to create drama for their articles, I don't consid= er the Andrea Doria to be the "Mount Everest of diving". I think we ne= ed a more elusive target. Maybe the Fitzgerald, maybe something else.&= nbsp; The Doria has a mystique and an allure, and then of course, there is "= china fever". Many divers have dived it (although I have not). I= t is accessible, especially if done right. It is also notorious, mainl= y because people have not done it right. "The Last Dive" is a testamen= t to that.<BR> <BR> Jan<BR> <BR> In a message dated 3/30/2003 10:41:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, se2schul@st*= dent.math.uwaterloo.ca writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT= : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"= style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A= rial" LANG=3D"0">Well, given the size of the sample population, it is likely= a useless statistic.<BR> <BR> <BR> For example, what do you think of this:<BR> "I think everyone should dive the Edmund Fitzgerald. She sits under 52= 9' of ice cold water and is extremely safe to dive since it has a 0% mortali= ty rate."<BR> <BR> Only one person has dived the wreck, and it was a "successful" dive.<BR> <BR> Most wrecks don't get enough divers to collect accurate data as the Fitz exa= mple illustrates.<BR> <BR> ss<BR> <BR> <BR> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Glen Hunt wrote:<BR> <BR> ><BR> >>In my opinion, a good focal point for Andrea Doria deaths.<BR> ><BR> >Out of curiosity, which wrecks have the highest mortality rate for diver= s?<BR> ><BR> >Glen</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800040" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2= FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BR> <B><BR> ------------------<BR> Visit my web site with underwater and other photos at http:\\members.aol.com= \jsuw3\index.html</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20= #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_4b.2ca91405.2bb918c2_boundary-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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