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From: "Don Burke" <donburke56@ne*.ne*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Cylinder capacity Metric -> Imperial
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:14:17 -0500
Hi Frank,

You've run head on into something people in some parts of the world do with
impunity, name something with a number that has little relation to anything.

That 77.4 cuft tank is called an 80 because it sounds better.

We do it all the time.

A board called a "2x4" actually measures something like 1.4x3.4 since the
2x4 was before surfacing.

The .38 Special handgun round actually measures .357.  The .44 round
measures .430.  It goes on and on through firearms.

Many of the automobile engine sizes are strangely rounded.

Pipe sizes specify the inside diameter and are based on schedule 40 pipe.
Since the fittings go on the outside of the pipe, a 4 inch schedule 80 pipe
will have the same outside diameter as a 4 inch schedule 40 pipe, but there
will be no dimension on the schedule 80 pipe that actually measures 4
inches.

It looks like a database is the only way out of your problem.  Before you do
that, be advised that many of the tables you'll find are wrong.  For
instance, I have the table from http://www.fifthd.com/gear/tankspecs.html in
front of me and it states that a Pressed Steel 120 is neutral empty and 3.8
pounds negative when full.  I'm pretty sure pure helium weighs more than
that.

Have fun!

Don

----- Original Message -----
From: "Franks" <wubben.stoop@12*.nl*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: 28 March, 2003 17:45
Subject: Cylinder capacity Metric -> Imperial


hello list,

just for fun programming, i'm writing a palm pda application for gasmixing.
The programm will be freeware.

My gasmixer will have vdWaals algoritm and all kind of extra's in it; f.e.
it can be used

a. to mix the 300bar with 10 % overfill (5000 psi ) ;
b. check the mix with a 85 euro balance ( theoretically helium accurate
within 1% ) ;
c. displaying sensor signals like O2, pressure, ..... ;
d. just name it .... 256 Mb is a lot of programming code.

Anyhow ... a lot is allready programmed ...  in dutch with metric units.
Also now i'm converting it into
English with switch for metric/imperial units.

But at the moment i have a problem with the cuft cylinder capacity.  In the
Metric system we define
cylinders with water capacity and max. fill pressure.  f.e. we have
12l/200bar, 12l/232bar and 12l/300bar.
   It's very easy to integrate this water capacity into the vdWaals
algorithm's.  To use imperial units,
the cuft capacity has to be converted into water/ 14.5 psi capacity.

 http://www.mdaguam.com/tankspecs.htm  and the conclusion that the
convertion cannot be done with
a algorithm.  f.e.( according this ) the cuft of the low pressure cylinders
= water capacity * fill pressure
+ 10 % ???????????????????????      hellllllllllllllllllllppppppppppp.
When i see the high presssure
cylinders 80 cuft = 77.4 cuft , and here it looks like that + 15% is choosen
????????????    more
help.

Are these data correct ?   isn't there any defintion of the cuft ?   So when
this correct, the only way to let
my programm function with imperial units, is to bring in a lot of database
with all kind of cylinders and
an interface to choose one of them. ( that's for fun ???)

please give me some information/advice

Frank

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