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Joe, until you can prove any bullshit that you post it is just an LSD
induced theory. Do me a favor moron.......please tell who ever is suppling
you with this inside info from my employer LDC that I have not received any
paychecks in 2 years and send them to me........an employer is suppose to
give you those you know.
Even though your a lying moron.......have a nice day
At 05:17 PM 3/24/03 -0800, Joe wrote:
>Poor, poor Johnny Tug Boat! Johnny Tug Boat, Johnny Tug Boat! Toot toot!
>
>Everybody's picking on him! That bad guy is telling the truth about him and
>he doesn't like it.
>
>Of course Miss Lindsey and the Lynnhaven Dive Center aren't trying to do
>anything. You boob, whenever an employer is trying to get rid of an
>employee they *never* do anything. As a matter of fact, they are usually
>real nice and give you all the rope you need to hang yourself. But what do
>I know. I have no experience in these matters.
>
>And of course, NO ONE at Lynnhaven has EVER suggested you were an
>embarrassment and you should keep it under control. Businesses like it when
>employees chase off their clientele. And NONE of your friends has EVER
>privately said that they were trying to get you do things properly and to
>quit the incessant bragging about dives that either anyone can do or only a
>moron WOULD do.
>
>Funny how you always blab about the truth but lie and get angry when someone
>tells the truth about you.
>
>I criticized you for attacking the widow of a deceased diver. I guess that
>I am lying because now you will blame the ghost writer. No good. The "I
>can't read and write" so I couldn't have done it defense won't fly because I
>know the ghost writer also reads to you.
>
>I called you a scumbag for doing that. That is not a lie. You are a
>scumbag for doing that. Don't believe it? Ask a non diving total stranger
>on the street to read your posts.
>I guaranteed they call you a scumbag.
>
>If recognizing a POS scumbag when I see one makes me a leader then I guess I
>must be one. But my reason is for the common good, not for my own benefit
>because I already know you are an asshole.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>To: <joe@po*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 4:23 PM
>Subject: Re: Nic Gotto Inquest
>
>
> > Joe, I did not bother to answer a statement that is not true, it is waste
> > of time to do so. But in your little mind and height you think you've got
> > something. LDC and the Miss Lindsey are not trying to do anything. I will
> > be at BTS representing the shop and the boat this coming weekend, stop on
> > by and visit, I will be very polite. The emails you get (even if you
>really
> > do) are most likely from those I have exposed or removed from diving
>around
> > me or very close to it. Those that I have done that to are a risk to
> > themselves and those around them. This is why they chose to say things in
> > private so they do not expose themselves again, many have a huge fear of
> > this list and are very thin skin. I do not have such a weakness.
> >
> > As for apologizing to "Michelle", I will not say I am incapable of doing
> > it, just a little rusty.......as you clearly wish to be some kind of
>leader
> > you can show me how. Just apologize to me for all the untruthful things
>and
> > name calling you just did to me, it could do wonders.
> >
> > have a real nice day
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:31 PM 3/20/03 -0500, joe@po*.co* wrote:
> > >JT, I never called you an asshole or dumb fuck. There is no need for me
>to
> > >do that because you do such a good job of showing it all by yourself. I
> > >merely implied you were an insensitive prick because of the response you
> > >gave to a grieving woman who was trying to do good.
> > >
> > >While I wish you no harm, I really don't care that you "ain't dead" nor
>do I
> > >care about whether or not you buddy with any RB divers. (BTW, I don't
>care
> > >that you are alive either.)
> > >
> > >As usual, you go off on a tangent and do not answer the questions asked
>so
> > >I'll ask again:
> > >
> > >Why is it that so many of the VB people, the Lynnhaven Dive Center and
>the
> > >Miss Lindsey are all trying to distance themselves from you? Why is it
>that
> > >every time I confront you on these lists I get barraged with private
>emails
> > >from VB people telling me what a scumbag you are? Why is it I get thank
>you
> > >emails from total strangers who say "I was going to dive with that guy
>but
> > >when I read your posts I started to think and realized what a moron he
>was"?
> > >
> > >Explain this to me. I know you can't because morons can't think. Like
>most
> > >self centered, egomaniacal, inadequate pricks, you are too wrapped up in
> > >yourself. You are a lowlife bottom feeder that thrives on the
>misfortunes
> > >of others and rejoices in diver deaths because in that feeble pea you
>call a
> > >brain you think by virtue of being alive you are superior. Well
>surprise!
> > >You are not!
> > >(You reached your apex when you got your job blowing the whisle on the
>Tug
> > >Boat...or was that the owner of the Tug Boat?) Either way...doesn't
>matter.
> > >
> > >I also suggested you make an appology to her. I repeat that suggestion.
>Do
> > >the decent thing and admit you were a rude, arrogant prick. Tell her you
> > >just can't help yourself because you have some VB form of Tourettes that
> > >causes you to talk like a moron. Or maybe you can say that you are
> > >delusional and envision yourself as some form of Noble Savage who
>believes
> > >he will make the world safe from his tug boat.
> > >
> > >Come to think of it, what does JT stand for? Johnny Tugboat? Let me
> > >guess..... You go to sleep at night wearing your Captains hat and
>hugging a
> > >whistle and a yo-yo while pulling your pud singing Johnny Tugboat! Johnny
> > >Tugboat! Toot toot!
> > >
> > >JT, you are a joke and a clown. Grow up and be a man! Stop trying to
>bully
> > >divers widows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> > >To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:30 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Nic Gotto Inquest
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Everyone of you out there who thinks I'm an asshole and some kind of
>dumb
> > > > fuck. Check these facts out.
> > > > You don't see me diving a RB do you and I ain't dead either am I. I
> > > > challenge anyone to prove I have even dived with a buddy who was on a
>RB
> > >of
> > > > any kind. On trips I organize there are only a select few I let on
>with a
> > > > RB and then I have certain rules they must agree to and they were
>getting
> > > > it done on OC before they got a RB. Most of the divers buying these
>damn
> > > > things can't dive to began with and hope it will make them something
>they
> > > > are not, what they are is a moron and an accident waiting to happen.
>Not
> > > > because the units are total pieces of shit, because the guys who die
>don't
> > > > know when to say NO, don't follow the rules, and couldn't get it done
>on
> > >OC.
> > > >
> > > > BTW way this is how you spell Lynnhaven........
> > > >
> > > > and have a nice day
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 05:15 PM 3/18/03 -0800, Joe wrote:
> > > > >JT, it is no wonder so many of the VB people, the Lyndhaven Dive
>Center
> > >and
> > > > >the Miss Lindsey are all trying to distance themselves from you.
>Your
> > > > >arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Not everyone in this
> > >sport
> > > > >is 3rd grade educated and needs someone to read, write and think for
> > >them.
> > > > >Instead of worrying about what this woman who lost her husband was
> > >involved
> > > > >in you should hire someone to muzzle that ignorant mouth.
> > > > >
> > > > >This latest blurb of heartless stupidity tops them all. I am amazed
>that
> > > > >your VB Tech buddies, who seem to be a decent bunch, haven't come on
>here
> > > > >and pounded you into the dirt for attacking a woman selfless enough
>to
> > > > >re-live her horror speaking her mind in an effort to save others from
>the
> > > > >fate her husband suffered. You are out of line and owe her an
>apology.
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Michelle" <lisa3@ch*.co*>
> > > > >To: <captjt@mi*.co*>
> > > > >Cc: <lisa3@ch*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > > >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:34 PM
> > > > >Subject: RE: Nic Gotto Inquest
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > How dare you try to blame Paul's death on me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul was highly inteligent and electronically and computer minded.
>He
> > >was
> > > > >an IT expert. He also was an adult used to making his own choices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We discussed on a number of occasions the problems he had had with
>his
> > > > >original unit. Numerous and often there seemed no obvious way to
>relate
> > >them
> > > > >to each other. He watched the handsets like a hawk and was meticulous
>in
> > >its
> > > > >mainanance. Unfortunately he also beleived that when he had a
>replacement
> > > > >unit - after much heated discussion with AP, this second unit
>appeared to
> > >be
> > > > >problem free and working as expected. I have the email he sent to
>martin
> > > > >Parker stating the unit now was working as expected - so it seemed.
> > > > > > He made a number of succesful dives on this second unit without
> > >problem so
> > > > >put his original problems down to having been suplied 'a lemon'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He had a great deal of respect for the unit and used it with great
> > > > >caution. Obviously this was not enough.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:26:57 -0500 Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > Michelle, I have only one question for you................Why did
>you
> > >wait
> > > > > > until Paul died to get involved in what he was doing. quote "Paul
>had
> > >had
> > > > > > no end of problems with the unit".......so you knew something was
>not
> > > > >right.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 09:04 PM 3/17/03 +0000, Michelle wrote:
> > > > > > >Hi George,
> > > > > > >You are so right. Paul thought he was helping with breakthroughs
>when
> > >he
> > > > > > >particepated in the early trimix dives on the unit. Everyone on
>the
> > > > > > >inspiration site knew what he was doing, he and a dozen or so
>others
> > > > > > >discussed how they were using mix on the unit. Not a word of
>caution
> > >from
> > > > > > >the manufacturers, they must have loved all the free research
>they
> > >were
> > > > > > >getting done by Paul and the others. There was even a chamber
>dive
> > > > >planned
> > > > > > >to further asess the performance of the unit on trimix.
> > > > > > >Then his accident and all of a sudded he was some kind of rogue
>and
> > >the
> > > > > > >statement was that he died because he was using trimix.
> > > > > > >The unit is sold to be used with trimix and heliox, how did the
>use
> > >of
> > > > > > >trimix kill him? We cannot see another diver related reason so
>lets
> > >blame
> > > > > > >it on trimix.
> > > > > > >Paul did not die because he was using trimix but this was the get
>out
> > > > > > >initially used. There are plenty of people using trimix on the
>unit
> > >now.
> > > > > > >Some very lucky people.
> > > > > > >Imagine, you have the full suport of your peers and are in
>freequent
> > > > > > >contact with the manufacturers detailing exactly what you are
>doing.
> > > > > > >Suddenly, you die whilst using one of these units and all that
>suport
> > > > > > >dissapears and you become some maveric doing things they would
>never
> > > > >condone.
> > > > > > >Paul had had no end of problems with the unit so was extremely
> > >cautious
> > > > > > >and meticulous whilst using it. Replacement scrubber lids and a
> > > > > > >replacement unit and numerous discussions with AP.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >How does it feel to be the widow?
> > > > > > >When the people your sole mate entrusted his life to abandon him
>and
> > >use
> > > > > > >him as a scapegoat? They have a quote published in a magazine
>stating
> > > > > > >their sympathy for you when you can see nothing has been done to
> > >rectify
> > > > > > >the situation, they do nothing and they act like nothing has
>hapened.
> > > > > > >When the daughter you bore after he died wishes on a star that
>she
> > >could
> > > > > > >see her father.
> > > > > > >When your entire life has been thrown up in the air and slowly
>falls
> > >back
> > > > > > >down to the ground shattering in to unrecoverable peices.
> > > > > > >When collegues at work dash in to a utility room when they see
>you
> > > > >walking
> > > > > > >towards them in a corridoor because they just don't know what to
>say
> > >to
> > > > > > >you. You feel like a leper.
> > > > > > >When people ask you 'hello, how are you?' ( normal, polite) you
>have
> > >to
> > > > > > >say 'fine thanks' ( normal, polite) but inside you want to screem
>at
> > >them
> > > > > > >for asking such a stupid question. How the hell do they think you
> > >feel -
> > > > > > >but it is not their fault, they don't know how much that simple
> > >question
> > > > > > >rips you apart.
> > > > > > >When you spend endless hours with his patents explaining, trying
>to
> > >make
> > > > > > >some sense of it. No parent expects to loose their child.
> > > > > > >When you are evicted and your home is reposessed because you are
>not
> > > > >named
> > > > > > >on the mortgage. The home you shared for almost a decade.
> > > > > > >When you sit every night in silence on the sofa desperate to hear
>his
> > > > >keys
> > > > > > >in the door as he comes home to you.
> > > > > > >You hear about 15 more people loosing their life on the same unit
>but
> > > > > > >still no questions are asked.
> > > > > > >And all the time the one you love is being used as a scapegoat,
> > >called an
> > > > > > >idiot by people who never met him, and every time you try to
>defend
> > >him
> > > > > > >you are pushed off as an hysterical woman. You look deeper and
>deeper
> > >and
> > > > > > >ask questions that no-one will answer.
> > > > > > >You have to listen to his reputation being ripped to shreds even
> > >though
> > > > > > >you know what people are saying is wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Shall I go on, or do you get the impression?
> > > > > > >Martin Parker has spoken to me twice. Once at Paul's inquest
>where he
> > > > >said
> > > > > > >'stuffy in there, isn't it' and once at Nic Gotto's inquest where
>he
> > > > >tried
> > > > > > >to say hello as if we were old friends, and asked was I well, in
>the
> > >most
> > > > > > >incredable upbeat maner, I was horrified and speachless. He seems
>to
> > >have
> > > > > > >absolutely no concept.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As for the other things I can tell you about their performance,
>how
> > >about
> > > > > > >attempting to submit a graph ( of how long the loop could sustain
> > >life)
> > > > >at
> > > > > > >a public inquest, which was massively innacurate but if it had
>been
> > > > > > >believed could have explained the pathologists findings. The
>graph's
> > > > > > >innacuracy was exposed and there was no other way AP could
>explain
> > >the
> > > > > > >pathologist's findings. The pathalogical evidence that Paul had
>been
> > > > >alive
> > > > > > >for some time, probably hours, following a hypoxic event.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:04:43 -0500 George Irvine <trey@my*.ne*>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > >Lisa, this post of yours has brought out the usual suspects from
>the
> > > > >Buddy
> > > > > > >Inspiration cheering section, who are about the same caliber of
> > >mentality
> > > > >as
> > > > > > >you would expect to see at a cock fight. They are citing some web
> > >links
> > > > >that
> > > > > > >contain examples of stupidity that are beyond the pale, but they
>see
> > >them
> > > > >as
> > > > > > >fantastic accomplishments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Maybe you and the rest of the Buddy Inspiration widows can
>explain to
> > > > >these
> > > > > > >morons what it really means to have your husband killed by a
>piece of
> > > > >shit
> > > > > > >like Martin Parker, by the crap training out there, by the "every
>man
> > >for
> > > > > > >himself" mentality of the tough guy Brits who seem to feel these
> > >devices
> > > > > > >make them a real man, and by the very "accomplishments" ( read
>doing
> > > > >stupid
> > > > > > >things and getting away with it) that they are so proud of.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The funny thing is that they want to attack me over your post.
>Your
> > > > >husband
> > > > > > >is dead along with countless others due to this piece of crap and
>the
> > > > > > >thinking that surrounds it, and we have some lame moron on here
> > >telling
> > > > >me
> > > > > > >how superior these people are and how screwed up GUE is ( now he
>has
> > > > >changed
> > > > > > >that to "DIR").
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Maybe you can put some of the things you told me privately on
>here
> > >and
> > > > >save
> > > > > > >some lives. While the idiots are well recognized by most of us a
> > >idiots,
> > > > >you
> > > > > > >never know who you could prevent from suffering like you have.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: Lisa [mailto:lisa3@ch*.co*]
> > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 3707 12:58 AM
> > > > > > >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Nic Gotto Inquest
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Cork City Coroner, Dr Myra Cullinane, last week recorded an open
> > >verdict
> > > > >at
> > > > > > >the conclusion of the inquest into the death of Nic Gotto, Union
> > >Hall,
> > > > > > >County Cork, who died in July 1998 whilst using the Buddy
>Inspiration
> > > > > > >Rebreather. The coroners court heard that Nic and some friends
>were
> > >due
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >dive to the Kowloon Bridge wreck, just a few miles south of
>Glandore
> > > > >harbour
> > > > > > >in County Cork, when the tradgy happened. Nic and his buddy
>entered
> > >the
> > > > > > >water as normal and proceeded to the bow of the wreck at 9m. All
>was
> > >well
> > > > >at
> > > > > > >thisstage, Nic was seen to have looked at his handsets and then
> > >signalled
> > > > >Ok
> > > > > > >to his buddy. He indicated a direction for the dive to continue
>and
> > >lead
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >way with his buddy following behind. The visibility was very poor
> > >that
> > > > >day
> > > > > > >and Nic's buddy lost sight of him for a few minutes only able to
> > >follow
> > > > >by
> > > > > > >using Nic's torch beam for direction. Within a few minutes the
>buddy
> > >came
> > > > > > >upon Nic lying on his back with his mouthpiece out and having
>what
> > > > >appeared
> > > > > > >to be a convulsion. His buddy immediately realised that Nic was
>in
> > > > >trouble
> > > > > > >and attempt to rescue him. In the rescue attempt Nic's buddy lost
>his
> > >own
> > > > > > >mouthpiece and weight belt and started to ascend. He made it to
>the
> > >9m
> > > > >mark
> > > > > > >and managed to alert another pair of divers that Nic was in
>trouble.
> > >One
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >the other divers quickly found Nic and assisted him to the
>surface
> > >where
> > > > >he
> > > > > > >was taken onboard the boat and CPR was administered for 45
>minutes
> > >after
> > > > > > >which time the Air Sea Rescue helicopter winched him on board and
> > >flew
> > > > >him
> > > > > > >to hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The court
>heard
> > >that
> > > > > > >Nic's rebreather was dropped during his rescue and was not
>recovered
> > >for
> > > > > > >some days. On inspection the Buddy Inspiration Rebreather was
>found
> > >to be
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >good working order and no alterations had been made to the kit.
>There
> > >was
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >reading on both guages. Both handsets, when opened, were found to
>be
> > > > >cracked
> > > > > > >and full of seawater. Nic had been seen to be having difficulties
> > > > > > >calibrating his equipment prior to getting on the boat. On the
>boat
> > >prior
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >the dive, Nic dismantled and cleaned and re assembled his
>equipment,
> > > > > > >breathed from the unit and prepared to enter the water. It was
>noted
> > >that
> > > > >no
> > > > > > >alarm was heard at anytime before, during and after Nic was
>brought
> > >to
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >surface. Mr Hogan, the pathologist at Cork University Hospital,
>said
> > >that
> > > > > > >Nic had suffered drowning after a metabolic event had occurred
> > >leading to
> > > > > > >him losing consciousness, he said that it might have Hyperoxia or
> > > > >Hycapnia.
> > > > > > >It was recorded that Nic had completed approx. 10 dives on the
> > >equipment.
> > > > >As
> > > > > > >no one had witnessed Nic changing the scrubber canister the
> > >manufactures,
> > > > >AP
> > > > > > >Valves, did make a submission that it might have been Hypercapnia
> > >that
> > > > >lead
> > > > > > >to Nic's demise. Nic's widow Rachel was able to tell the court
>that
> > >of
> > > > >two
> > > > > > >20kg drums of sofnalime at her house over half of one is gone.
>The
> > > > >coroner
> > > > > > >seemed satisfied that this suggested that Nic had replaced the
>scruba
> > > > > > >contents. At the end of three days the Jury were directed to
>return
> > >one
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >three possible verdicts, accidental death, death by misadventure
>and
> > >open
> > > > > > >verdict. They returned the latter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >During questioning, a witness who initially reported that Nic
>told
> > >her
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >scrubber could last 10 hours, confirmed this 10 hours could well
>have
> > > > > > >related to the O2 cylinder duration and not the scrubber.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >My condolencies to Rachel, Nic's wife, and his three daughters,
>two
> > >who
> > > > >are
> > > > > > >teenagers and one little girl who has never seen her father.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
>get
> > >in
> > > > >the
> > > > > > water"
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