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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:58:22 +1100
From: Christian Gerzner <christiang@in*.co*.au*>
To: George Irvine <trey@my*.ne*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Nic Gotto Inquest
Capt JT wrote:
 
> The only dumbass is the one who will risk his life on an unproven
> piece of equipment and not think there is any risk.

Since this post was originally directed at me, I feel I have a right
to respond.

JT, there are actually many versions of "dumbass", such as, but not
limited to:

* the one who doesn't properly read/comprehend what is written - you,
for instance
* the one who is selective in his responses - you, for instance
* the one who (stupidly?) requotes questions previously posed he'd
rather not answer - you, for instance
* the one who has no consideration for others - you, for instance
* the one who presumes certain facts or fallacies - you, for instance

Let's take that last: how do you know that Nic Gotto (remember, his
name is still in the subject line) "will risk his life on an unproven
piece of equipment and not think there is any risk"?

You talked to him about that? The question is rhetorical, yet you
continue to make unproven allegations about Nic Gotto's diving style
without knowing diddley squat about what he did, how he did it and how
he presented it to others, if at all.

So let's take your point of "risk" and making others aware of "risk".
Do you really think that members of a family who know nothing about
diving can make an informed decision, leave alone opinion, about
equipment or technique based on what is told them? Do you not think
that divers, ANY diver, will be relatively biased? Do you not think
that the vast majority of divers, but of course, consider that their
equipment is the best? I recall Michelle saying something about Nic
buying this equipment because he considered it safer than OC (rightly
or wrongly - at that time). How would Michelle be able to naysay this
... unless she was also a diver and I suspect although I don't
actually know, that she was not.

Let's then take the second "version of dumbass" above (and I quote
your quote of it below). I still have to hear how you decide on who,
using a RB, is "allowed" to dive with you on one of your much-vaunted
dive trips that you organise?
 
> At 06:31 AM 3/24/03 -0500, George Irvine wrote:
> 
> > Dumbass, she was talking about scrubber breakthroughs, you
> > ignorant moron. What he did not know and was not told is that this
> > is an easy calculation to within minutes on a properly designed
> > unit, a designation which obviously does not apply to the Buddy
> > Inspiration. The scrubber is uselessly small and inefficient.
(snips)

> >          > Now, would you care to answer my response to you
> >          > as follows:
> >          >
> >          > > > > On trips I organize there are only a select
> >          > few I let on with
> >          > > > > a RB and then I have certain rules they
> >          > must agree to and
> >          > > > > they were getting it done on OC before they
> >          > got a RB.
> >          >
> >          > > > So first of all you challenge anyone to prove
> >          > ... oh ... I get it,
> >          > > > the RB divers are NEVER your buddies? But
> >          > subject to *your*
> >          > > > rules that a select few must agree to, that's
> >          > OK, these select
> >          > > > few can then dive with you?
> >          > > >
> >          > > > What apparently gives you the right to be the
> >          > final arbiter of
> >          > > > whether a RB diver can, or cannot, dive with
> >          > your group? Oh,
> >          > > > you're an expert on RBs? But you don't dive
> >          > them. Or is your
> >          > > > criterion the fact that they were getting it
> >          > done on OC before
> >          > > > they got a RB? If so, that's quite a call.
> >          >
> >          > Christian
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