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JT, I never called you an asshole or dumb fuck. There is no need for me to do that because you do such a good job of showing it all by yourself. I merely implied you were an insensitive prick because of the response you gave to a grieving woman who was trying to do good. While I wish you no harm, I really don't care that you "ain't dead" nor do I care about whether or not you buddy with any RB divers. (BTW, I don't care that you are alive either.) As usual, you go off on a tangent and do not answer the questions asked so I'll ask again: Why is it that so many of the VB people, the Lynnhaven Dive Center and the Miss Lindsey are all trying to distance themselves from you? Why is it that every time I confront you on these lists I get barraged with private emails from VB people telling me what a scumbag you are? Why is it I get thank you emails from total strangers who say "I was going to dive with that guy but when I read your posts I started to think and realized what a moron he was"? Explain this to me. I know you can't because morons can't think. Like most self centered, egomaniacal, inadequate pricks, you are too wrapped up in yourself. You are a lowlife bottom feeder that thrives on the misfortunes of others and rejoices in diver deaths because in that feeble pea you call a brain you think by virtue of being alive you are superior. Well surprise! You are not! (You reached your apex when you got your job blowing the whisle on the Tug Boat...or was that the owner of the Tug Boat?) Either way...doesn't matter. I also suggested you make an appology to her. I repeat that suggestion. Do the decent thing and admit you were a rude, arrogant prick. Tell her you just can't help yourself because you have some VB form of Tourettes that causes you to talk like a moron. Or maybe you can say that you are delusional and envision yourself as some form of Noble Savage who believes he will make the world safe from his tug boat. Come to think of it, what does JT stand for? Johnny Tugboat? Let me guess..... You go to sleep at night wearing your Captains hat and hugging a whistle and a yo-yo while pulling your pud singing Johnny Tugboat! Johnny Tugboat! Toot toot! JT, you are a joke and a clown. Grow up and be a man! Stop trying to bully divers widows. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Nic Gotto Inquest > > Everyone of you out there who thinks I'm an asshole and some kind of dumb > fuck. Check these facts out. > You don't see me diving a RB do you and I ain't dead either am I. I > challenge anyone to prove I have even dived with a buddy who was on a RB of > any kind. On trips I organize there are only a select few I let on with a > RB and then I have certain rules they must agree to and they were getting > it done on OC before they got a RB. Most of the divers buying these damn > things can't dive to began with and hope it will make them something they > are not, what they are is a moron and an accident waiting to happen. Not > because the units are total pieces of shit, because the guys who die don't > know when to say NO, don't follow the rules, and couldn't get it done on OC. > > BTW way this is how you spell Lynnhaven........ > > and have a nice day > > > > > At 05:15 PM 3/18/03 -0800, Joe wrote: > >JT, it is no wonder so many of the VB people, the Lyndhaven Dive Center and > >the Miss Lindsey are all trying to distance themselves from you. Your > >arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Not everyone in this sport > >is 3rd grade educated and needs someone to read, write and think for them. > >Instead of worrying about what this woman who lost her husband was involved > >in you should hire someone to muzzle that ignorant mouth. > > > >This latest blurb of heartless stupidity tops them all. I am amazed that > >your VB Tech buddies, who seem to be a decent bunch, haven't come on here > >and pounded you into the dirt for attacking a woman selfless enough to > >re-live her horror speaking her mind in an effort to save others from the > >fate her husband suffered. You are out of line and owe her an apology. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michelle" <lisa3@ch*.co*> > >To: <captjt@mi*.co*> > >Cc: <lisa3@ch*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:34 PM > >Subject: RE: Nic Gotto Inquest > > > > > > > How dare you try to blame Paul's death on me. > > > > > > Paul was highly inteligent and electronically and computer minded. He was > >an IT expert. He also was an adult used to making his own choices. > > > > > > We discussed on a number of occasions the problems he had had with his > >original unit. Numerous and often there seemed no obvious way to relate them > >to each other. He watched the handsets like a hawk and was meticulous in its > >mainanance. Unfortunately he also beleived that when he had a replacement > >unit - after much heated discussion with AP, this second unit appeared to be > >problem free and working as expected. I have the email he sent to martin > >Parker stating the unit now was working as expected - so it seemed. > > > He made a number of succesful dives on this second unit without problem so > >put his original problems down to having been suplied 'a lemon'. > > > > > > He had a great deal of respect for the unit and used it with great > >caution. Obviously this was not enough. > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:26:57 -0500 Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote: > > > Michelle, I have only one question for you................Why did you wait > > > until Paul died to get involved in what he was doing. quote "Paul had had > > > no end of problems with the unit".......so you knew something was not > >right. > > > > > > > > > At 09:04 PM 3/17/03 +0000, Michelle wrote: > > > >Hi George, > > > >You are so right. Paul thought he was helping with breakthroughs when he > > > >particepated in the early trimix dives on the unit. Everyone on the > > > >inspiration site knew what he was doing, he and a dozen or so others > > > >discussed how they were using mix on the unit. Not a word of caution from > > > >the manufacturers, they must have loved all the free research they were > > > >getting done by Paul and the others. There was even a chamber dive > >planned > > > >to further asess the performance of the unit on trimix. > > > >Then his accident and all of a sudded he was some kind of rogue and the > > > >statement was that he died because he was using trimix. > > > >The unit is sold to be used with trimix and heliox, how did the use of > > > >trimix kill him? We cannot see another diver related reason so lets blame > > > >it on trimix. > > > >Paul did not die because he was using trimix but this was the get out > > > >initially used. There are plenty of people using trimix on the unit now. > > > >Some very lucky people. > > > >Imagine, you have the full suport of your peers and are in freequent > > > >contact with the manufacturers detailing exactly what you are doing. > > > >Suddenly, you die whilst using one of these units and all that suport > > > >dissapears and you become some maveric doing things they would never > >condone. > > > >Paul had had no end of problems with the unit so was extremely cautious > > > >and meticulous whilst using it. Replacement scrubber lids and a > > > >replacement unit and numerous discussions with AP. > > > > > > > >How does it feel to be the widow? > > > >When the people your sole mate entrusted his life to abandon him and use > > > >him as a scapegoat? They have a quote published in a magazine stating > > > >their sympathy for you when you can see nothing has been done to rectify > > > >the situation, they do nothing and they act like nothing has hapened. > > > >When the daughter you bore after he died wishes on a star that she could > > > >see her father. > > > >When your entire life has been thrown up in the air and slowly falls back > > > >down to the ground shattering in to unrecoverable peices. > > > >When collegues at work dash in to a utility room when they see you > >walking > > > >towards them in a corridoor because they just don't know what to say to > > > >you. You feel like a leper. > > > >When people ask you 'hello, how are you?' ( normal, polite) you have to > > > >say 'fine thanks' ( normal, polite) but inside you want to screem at them > > > >for asking such a stupid question. How the hell do they think you feel - > > > >but it is not their fault, they don't know how much that simple question > > > >rips you apart. > > > >When you spend endless hours with his patents explaining, trying to make > > > >some sense of it. No parent expects to loose their child. > > > >When you are evicted and your home is reposessed because you are not > >named > > > >on the mortgage. The home you shared for almost a decade. > > > >When you sit every night in silence on the sofa desperate to hear his > >keys > > > >in the door as he comes home to you. > > > >You hear about 15 more people loosing their life on the same unit but > > > >still no questions are asked. > > > >And all the time the one you love is being used as a scapegoat, called an > > > >idiot by people who never met him, and every time you try to defend him > > > >you are pushed off as an hysterical woman. You look deeper and deeper and > > > >ask questions that no-one will answer. > > > >You have to listen to his reputation being ripped to shreds even though > > > >you know what people are saying is wrong. > > > > > > > >Shall I go on, or do you get the impression? > > > >Martin Parker has spoken to me twice. Once at Paul's inquest where he > >said > > > >'stuffy in there, isn't it' and once at Nic Gotto's inquest where he > >tried > > > >to say hello as if we were old friends, and asked was I well, in the most > > > >incredable upbeat maner, I was horrified and speachless. He seems to have > > > >absolutely no concept. > > > > > > > >As for the other things I can tell you about their performance, how about > > > >attempting to submit a graph ( of how long the loop could sustain life) > >at > > > >a public inquest, which was massively innacurate but if it had been > > > >believed could have explained the pathologists findings. The graph's > > > >innacuracy was exposed and there was no other way AP could explain the > > > >pathologist's findings. The pathalogical evidence that Paul had been > >alive > > > >for some time, probably hours, following a hypoxic event. > > > > > > > >On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:04:43 -0500 George Irvine <trey@my*.ne*> wrote: > > > >Lisa, this post of yours has brought out the usual suspects from the > >Buddy > > > >Inspiration cheering section, who are about the same caliber of mentality > >as > > > >you would expect to see at a cock fight. They are citing some web links > >that > > > >contain examples of stupidity that are beyond the pale, but they see them > >as > > > >fantastic accomplishments. > > > > > > > >Maybe you and the rest of the Buddy Inspiration widows can explain to > >these > > > >morons what it really means to have your husband killed by a piece of > >shit > > > >like Martin Parker, by the crap training out there, by the "every man for > > > >himself" mentality of the tough guy Brits who seem to feel these devices > > > >make them a real man, and by the very "accomplishments" ( read doing > >stupid > > > >things and getting away with it) that they are so proud of. > > > > > > > >The funny thing is that they want to attack me over your post. Your > >husband > > > >is dead along with countless others due to this piece of crap and the > > > >thinking that surrounds it, and we have some lame moron on here telling > >me > > > >how superior these people are and how screwed up GUE is ( now he has > >changed > > > >that to "DIR"). > > > > > > > >Maybe you can put some of the things you told me privately on here and > >save > > > >some lives. While the idiots are well recognized by most of us a idiots, > >you > > > >never know who you could prevent from suffering like you have. > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Lisa [mailto:lisa3@ch*.co*] > > > >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 3707 12:58 AM > > > >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > >Subject: Nic Gotto Inquest > > > > > > > > > > > >Cork City Coroner, Dr Myra Cullinane, last week recorded an open verdict > >at > > > >the conclusion of the inquest into the death of Nic Gotto, Union Hall, > > > >County Cork, who died in July 1998 whilst using the Buddy Inspiration > > > >Rebreather. The coroners court heard that Nic and some friends were due > >to > > > >dive to the Kowloon Bridge wreck, just a few miles south of Glandore > >harbour > > > >in County Cork, when the tradgy happened. Nic and his buddy entered the > > > >water as normal and proceeded to the bow of the wreck at 9m. All was well > >at > > > >thisstage, Nic was seen to have looked at his handsets and then signalled > >Ok > > > >to his buddy. He indicated a direction for the dive to continue and lead > >the > > > >way with his buddy following behind. The visibility was very poor that > >day > > > >and Nic's buddy lost sight of him for a few minutes only able to follow > >by > > > >using Nic's torch beam for direction. Within a few minutes the buddy came > > > >upon Nic lying on his back with his mouthpiece out and having what > >appeared > > > >to be a convulsion. His buddy immediately realised that Nic was in > >trouble > > > >and attempt to rescue him. In the rescue attempt Nic's buddy lost his own > > > >mouthpiece and weight belt and started to ascend. He made it to the 9m > >mark > > > >and managed to alert another pair of divers that Nic was in trouble. One > >of > > > >the other divers quickly found Nic and assisted him to the surface where > >he > > > >was taken onboard the boat and CPR was administered for 45 minutes after > > > >which time the Air Sea Rescue helicopter winched him on board and flew > >him > > > >to hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The court heard that > > > >Nic's rebreather was dropped during his rescue and was not recovered for > > > >some days. On inspection the Buddy Inspiration Rebreather was found to be > >in > > > >good working order and no alterations had been made to the kit. There was > >a > > > >reading on both guages. Both handsets, when opened, were found to be > >cracked > > > >and full of seawater. Nic had been seen to be having difficulties > > > >calibrating his equipment prior to getting on the boat. On the boat prior > >to > > > >the dive, Nic dismantled and cleaned and re assembled his equipment, > > > >breathed from the unit and prepared to enter the water. It was noted that > >no > > > >alarm was heard at anytime before, during and after Nic was brought to > >the > > > >surface. Mr Hogan, the pathologist at Cork University Hospital, said that > > > >Nic had suffered drowning after a metabolic event had occurred leading to > > > >him losing consciousness, he said that it might have Hyperoxia or > >Hycapnia. > > > >It was recorded that Nic had completed approx. 10 dives on the equipment. > >As > > > >no one had witnessed Nic changing the scrubber canister the manufactures, > >AP > > > >Valves, did make a submission that it might have been Hypercapnia that > >lead > > > >to Nic's demise. Nic's widow Rachel was able to tell the court that of > >two > > > >20kg drums of sofnalime at her house over half of one is gone. The > >coroner > > > >seemed satisfied that this suggested that Nic had replaced the scruba > > > >contents. At the end of three days the Jury were directed to return one > >of > > > >three possible verdicts, accidental death, death by misadventure and open > > > >verdict. They returned the latter. > > > > > > > >During questioning, a witness who initially reported that Nic told her > >the > > > >scrubber could last 10 hours, confirmed this 10 hours could well have > > > >related to the O2 cylinder duration and not the scrubber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My condolencies to Rachel, Nic's wife, and his three daughters, two who > >are > > > >teenagers and one little girl who has never seen her father. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in > >the > > > water" > > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the > water" > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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