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JT, Let me recap this thread (summarized): SOMEONE> "The buddy inspiration is dangerous, there have been lots of deaths" SOME REBREATHER ADVOCATE> "Rebreathers are cool. There haven't been that many deaths. Let me justify what I do." SOMEONE ELSE> "Rebreathers are dangerous even if they look cool and even if you haven't had problems with yours" MICHELLE> "My husband died using this rebreather, and I'll share a very personal account with others in the hope of saving lives and adding a little dose of reality" JT> "You should've tried to stop him from diving the rebreather" ME> "JT, your comment is only hurting, not helping the situation" JT> "I do big dives. I do a lot of them. Families need to know what's going on. Nancy knows I do big dives. She knows I do a lot of them. I do big dives. I might die because I do big dives." I mean really JT, give me a break. If you really wanted to help the situation instead of helping your ego, you could've easily said something like: "People who take on high risk activities should discuss their decisions with family and consider giving up the activity." Notice: no finger pointing, no one offended, and your message got accross Now do your little internet search on my name if you must "expose" me as a neophite (as if someone should be embarassed about being less experienced). I'll save you the trouble. Diving since '94. I don't do dives nearly as big as your dives, and likely never will. If your comment truly wasn't meant to be inflamatory, then I appologize and suggest you develop better communications skills. If your comment was intended the way it came across, then grow up - diving isn't a competitive sport. Try playing squash. ss On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Capt JT wrote: > Until families........wives,kids, sisters, brothers. Take a close look at > what a family member is doing this will keep happening. I have to keep > telling Nancy that I am not immortal and the dives I do are high risk. She > always says "nothing will ever happen to you, you have already done it so > many times". Anything can happen on a dive and the bigger the dive the > higher the risk. Families should take note of what a diver is doing and ask > "WHAT IF", that would stop at least half the deaths........ > > > At 11:56 AM 3/18/03 -0500, Steve Schultz wrote: > >Hindsight is 20/20. > >Often after seeing the conclusion, the facts leading up to that conclusion > >are viewed in a different light. > > > >JT, "shoulda, woulda, coulda" isn't going to help the situation. > > > >Perhaps we should try looking at a constructive way of preventing deaths > >instead of remarks that are equivalent to pouring salt in old wounds. > > > >ss > > > > > >On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Capt JT wrote: > > > > > Michelle, I have only one question for you................Why did you wait > > > until Paul died to get involved in what he was doing. quote "Paul had had > > > no end of problems with the unit".......so you knew something was not > > right. > > > > > > > > > At 09:04 PM 3/17/03 +0000, Michelle wrote: > > > >Hi George, > > > >You are so right. Paul thought he was helping with breakthroughs when he > > > >particepated in the early trimix dives on the unit. Everyone on the > > > >inspiration site knew what he was doing, he and a dozen or so others > > > >discussed how they were using mix on the unit. Not a word of caution from > > > >the manufacturers, they must have loved all the free research they were > > > >getting done by Paul and the others. There was even a chamber dive planned > > > >to further asess the performance of the unit on trimix. > > > >Then his accident and all of a sudded he was some kind of rogue and the > > > >statement was that he died because he was using trimix. > > > >The unit is sold to be used with trimix and heliox, how did the use of > > > >trimix kill him? We cannot see another diver related reason so lets blame > > > >it on trimix. > > > >Paul did not die because he was using trimix but this was the get out > > > >initially used. There are plenty of people using trimix on the unit now. > > > >Some very lucky people. > > > >Imagine, you have the full suport of your peers and are in freequent > > > >contact with the manufacturers detailing exactly what you are doing. > > > >Suddenly, you die whilst using one of these units and all that suport > > > >dissapears and you become some maveric doing things they would never > > condone. > > > >Paul had had no end of problems with the unit so was extremely cautious > > > >and meticulous whilst using it. Replacement scrubber lids and a > > > >replacement unit and numerous discussions with AP. > > > > > > > >How does it feel to be the widow? > > > >When the people your sole mate entrusted his life to abandon him and use > > > >him as a scapegoat? They have a quote published in a magazine stating > > > >their sympathy for you when you can see nothing has been done to rectify > > > >the situation, they do nothing and they act like nothing has hapened. > > > >When the daughter you bore after he died wishes on a star that she could > > > >see her father. > > > >When your entire life has been thrown up in the air and slowly falls back > > > >down to the ground shattering in to unrecoverable peices. > > > >When collegues at work dash in to a utility room when they see you walking > > > >towards them in a corridoor because they just don't know what to say to > > > >you. You feel like a leper. > > > >When people ask you 'hello, how are you?' ( normal, polite) you have to > > > >say 'fine thanks' ( normal, polite) but inside you want to screem at them > > > >for asking such a stupid question. How the hell do they think you feel - > > > >but it is not their fault, they don't know how much that simple question > > > >rips you apart. > > > >When you spend endless hours with his patents explaining, trying to make > > > >some sense of it. No parent expects to loose their child. > > > >When you are evicted and your home is reposessed because you are not named > > > >on the mortgage. The home you shared for almost a decade. > > > >When you sit every night in silence on the sofa desperate to hear his keys > > > >in the door as he comes home to you. > > > >You hear about 15 more people loosing their life on the same unit but > > > >still no questions are asked. > > > >And all the time the one you love is being used as a scapegoat, called an > > > >idiot by people who never met him, and every time you try to defend him > > > >you are pushed off as an hysterical woman. You look deeper and deeper and > > > >ask questions that no-one will answer. > > > >You have to listen to his reputation being ripped to shreds even though > > > >you know what people are saying is wrong. > > > > > > > >Shall I go on, or do you get the impression? > > > >Martin Parker has spoken to me twice. Once at Paul's inquest where he said > > > >'stuffy in there, isn't it' and once at Nic Gotto's inquest where he tried > > > >to say hello as if we were old friends, and asked was I well, in the most > > > >incredable upbeat maner, I was horrified and speachless. He seems to have > > > >absolutely no concept. > > > > > > > >As for the other things I can tell you about their performance, how about > > > >attempting to submit a graph ( of how long the loop could sustain life) at > > > >a public inquest, which was massively innacurate but if it had been > > > >believed could have explained the pathologists findings. The graph's > > > >innacuracy was exposed and there was no other way AP could explain the > > > >pathologist's findings. The pathalogical evidence that Paul had been alive > > > >for some time, probably hours, following a hypoxic event. > > > > > > > >On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:04:43 -0500 George Irvine <trey@my*.ne*> wrote: > > > >Lisa, this post of yours has brought out the usual suspects from the Buddy > > > >Inspiration cheering section, who are about the same caliber of > > mentality as > > > >you would expect to see at a cock fight. They are citing some web > > links that > > > >contain examples of stupidity that are beyond the pale, but they see > > them as > > > >fantastic accomplishments. > > > > > > > >Maybe you and the rest of the Buddy Inspiration widows can explain to > > these > > > >morons what it really means to have your husband killed by a piece of shit > > > >like Martin Parker, by the crap training out there, by the "every man for > > > >himself" mentality of the tough guy Brits who seem to feel these devices > > > >make them a real man, and by the very "accomplishments" ( read doing > > stupid > > > >things and getting away with it) that they are so proud of. > > > > > > > >The funny thing is that they want to attack me over your post. Your > > husband > > > >is dead along with countless others due to this piece of crap and the > > > >thinking that surrounds it, and we have some lame moron on here telling me > > > >how superior these people are and how screwed up GUE is ( now he has > > changed > > > >that to "DIR"). > > > > > > > >Maybe you can put some of the things you told me privately on here and > > save > > > >some lives. While the idiots are well recognized by most of us a > > idiots, you > > > >never know who you could prevent from suffering like you have. > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Lisa [mailto:lisa3@ch*.co*] > > > >Sent: Thursday, March 10, 3707 12:58 AM > > > >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > >Subject: Nic Gotto Inquest > > > > > > > > > > > >Cork City Coroner, Dr Myra Cullinane, last week recorded an open > > verdict at > > > >the conclusion of the inquest into the death of Nic Gotto, Union Hall, > > > >County Cork, who died in July 1998 whilst using the Buddy Inspiration > > > >Rebreather. The coroners court heard that Nic and some friends were due to > > > >dive to the Kowloon Bridge wreck, just a few miles south of Glandore > > harbour > > > >in County Cork, when the tradgy happened. Nic and his buddy entered the > > > >water as normal and proceeded to the bow of the wreck at 9m. All was > > well at > > > >thisstage, Nic was seen to have looked at his handsets and then > > signalled Ok > > > >to his buddy. He indicated a direction for the dive to continue and > > lead the > > > >way with his buddy following behind. The visibility was very poor that day > > > >and Nic's buddy lost sight of him for a few minutes only able to follow by > > > >using Nic's torch beam for direction. Within a few minutes the buddy came > > > >upon Nic lying on his back with his mouthpiece out and having what > > appeared > > > >to be a convulsion. His buddy immediately realised that Nic was in trouble > > > >and attempt to rescue him. In the rescue attempt Nic's buddy lost his own > > > >mouthpiece and weight belt and started to ascend. He made it to the 9m > > mark > > > >and managed to alert another pair of divers that Nic was in trouble. > > One of > > > >the other divers quickly found Nic and assisted him to the surface > > where he > > > >was taken onboard the boat and CPR was administered for 45 minutes after > > > >which time the Air Sea Rescue helicopter winched him on board and flew him > > > >to hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. The court heard that > > > >Nic's rebreather was dropped during his rescue and was not recovered for > > > >some days. On inspection the Buddy Inspiration Rebreather was found to > > be in > > > >good working order and no alterations had been made to the kit. There > > was a > > > >reading on both guages. Both handsets, when opened, were found to be > > cracked > > > >and full of seawater. Nic had been seen to be having difficulties > > > >calibrating his equipment prior to getting on the boat. On the boat > > prior to > > > >the dive, Nic dismantled and cleaned and re assembled his equipment, > > > >breathed from the unit and prepared to enter the water. It was noted > > that no > > > >alarm was heard at anytime before, during and after Nic was brought to the > > > >surface. Mr Hogan, the pathologist at Cork University Hospital, said that > > > >Nic had suffered drowning after a metabolic event had occurred leading to > > > >him losing consciousness, he said that it might have Hyperoxia or > > Hycapnia. > > > >It was recorded that Nic had completed approx. 10 dives on the > > equipment. As > > > >no one had witnessed Nic changing the scrubber canister the > > manufactures, AP > > > >Valves, did make a submission that it might have been Hypercapnia that > > lead > > > >to Nic's demise. Nic's widow Rachel was able to tell the court that of two > > > >20kg drums of sofnalime at her house over half of one is gone. The coroner > > > >seemed satisfied that this suggested that Nic had replaced the scruba > > > >contents. At the end of three days the Jury were directed to return one of > > > >three possible verdicts, accidental death, death by misadventure and open > > > >verdict. They returned the latter. > > > > > > > >During questioning, a witness who initially reported that Nic told her the > > > >scrubber could last 10 hours, confirmed this 10 hours could well have > > > >related to the O2 cylinder duration and not the scrubber. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My condolencies to Rachel, Nic's wife, and his three daughters, two > > who are > > > >teenagers and one little girl who has never seen her father. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the > > > water" > > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the > water" > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > Email captjt@mi*.co* > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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