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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:55:04 -0500
To: <girvine@be*.ne*>, <vbtech@ci*.co*>
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject: RE: Lake Jocassee Project
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, <FLTechDiver@mikey.net>
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I will only answer you this once, after that you just try and turn these 
things into a shouting match. Funny how I can write about a dive and only 
the truth comes out in it. Just like I told the old short guy....make what 
you want of it.

Also you want everyone to watch a TV show that leaves out the accident. 
Lets put the facts out there. That team was hand picked, the so called 
"dream team of diving", yet with all the planning, ect. ect. a diver still 
got bent like a pretzel, I did not hear or see it in the show or have 
anyone post from the trip that it happened and later another diver from the 
team would die diving solo in a cave. These are just the facts.

It is really great that GUE forces their instructors to have good basic 
skills and even requires them to do a few real dives a year . But to have 
good enough skills to become a GUE instructor is not enough to handle the 
extreme stress of a 500ft dive, this was found out in the accident that was 
reported on techdiver ( 
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?54330,from 
)of the GUE instructor his name was on this post and buddy who either 
panicked or had a RB problem at depth, bolted, and got seriously bent. I 
hear there was no mention of this on quest, was there a cover up so not to 
rattle the following? I give you permission to show my 490ft dive 
tape(since you have a stolen copy) to all GUE instructors so they can see 
how a 2 man team does that dive and no one gets hurt, they may have good 
enough skills to be the best instructors, but at least one had trouble 
surviving a real dive.

I hear you have been bashing Andrew over on quest pretty good, we all know 
none of those GUE instructors will stand up to you. They depend on doing 
diving instruction as a living and understand that when you shake that 
money tree on these lists it will effect their income. I have met a lot of 
these guys and they are just normal guys trying to make a buck.

I do not make a dime off of diving and nothing you can do or say will 
effect me. So standing up to you is just the right thing for me. When I 
call someone a "weenie", I'm right on the mark........ The last diver I 
called that on this list which was over a month ago has come and dived with 
me, he had 75 logged dives and is no match for me or anyone in our group. 
He was actually better than I thought he would be. Nice guy, he just will 
need a lot of dives and work to get where he wants to be.

So where does all this take us.........the fact remains and will always 
remain as long as people place their heads underwater someone will die, 
even the best will have a problem sometime, getting them to admit it or 
that it has happen  is a hard thing to do . I have yet had to go to a 
chamber, no one has died on any trip I am in charge of. To my knowledge few 
have done more sub 300ft wreck dives than me. I only know a few divers who 
are more tougher underwater than me in the conditions I dive in. And you 
ain't one of them, I saw how that 53 degree water kicked your ass here on a 
140ft dive. Stick to the clear warm water in them caves and you will remain 
at the top and can beat your chest.

I know you are going to blast a reply, I wouldn't expect anything less, but 
don't expect a reply from me.

BTW do you plan to have a recall on the wreck scooter so you can install 
the right clutch at no cost that should have been installed in the first 
place.


   At 06:17 AM 11/7/02 -0500, George Irvine wrote:

>Listen, "Capt JT" , this is really pathetic. For one, you have so little 
>skill and  knowledge that it is laughable when you discuss taking days to 
>deal with this self-created clusterfuck that would be nothing to a skilled 
>diver. You calling people weenies is laughable when I know for a fact that 
>you would not know where to start with  a real dive. Your criticism of 
>people who show proper judgment when faced with one of your mindless dive 
>plans is inexcusable stroke bullshit. I will remind you that Jarrod and I 
>both pulled the thumb on one of your ridiculous dive plans after seeing 
>your SWBS in action. Want to call the two of us "weenies", Big Time?
>
>The fact is that you and you alone are the problem on all your dives - not 
>only for yourself but for everyone around you. I can not believe these 
>guys still subject themselves to this.
>
>>By the way, as long as you are sending your reports to the rest of the 
>>gang "to make changes if it is true or I am mistaken before I post it", 
>>perhaps  you could persuade one of them to edit out the illiteracy so 
>>that the comedy of your stupidity does not divert attention from the 
>>seriousness of the stroke example that you set. The problem is that 
>>people are laughing at you on here, and you are not the least bit funny.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: joe@po*.co* [mailto:joe@po*.co*]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:22 PM
>>To: vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT
>>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; FLTechDiver@mikey.net
>>Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
>>
>>I do not doubt the veracity of the report.  You couldn't have made that 
>>up.  I am talking about your ridicule of those whose survival instincts 
>>prompted them to back out.  I find that offensive because it is a good 
>>way to push people into getting themselves killed for fear of being 
>>criticized.
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:captjt@mi*.co*>Capt JT
>>To: <mailto:joe@po*.co*>Joe ; 
>><mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*>vbtech@cisatlantic.com
>>Cc: <mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com ; 
>><mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net>FLTechDiver@mikey.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM
>>Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
>>
>>Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who were to go 
>>but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post anything different 
>>than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to those on the 
>>trip and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I am 
>>mistaken before I post it.
>>
>>  At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote:
>>>JT:
>>>
>>>I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense 
>>>than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond 
>>>their abilities and experience or that they just were using good 
>>>judgment and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.
>>>
>>>You make the dive sound like a dare.  What's up with that?
>>>
>>>Best.
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <mailto:captjt@mi*.co*>Capt JT
>>>To: <mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*>vbtech@cisatlantic.com
>>>Cc: <mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com ; 
>>><mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net>FLTechDiver@mikey.net
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM
>>>Subject: Lake Jocassee Project
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to 350ft. After 
>>>last years trip to the lake ( read about it here 
>>>http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,from 
>>>) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 
>>>several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what 
>>>is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who 
>>>really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting 
>>>point to began a search for some of these rumored things.
>>>Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to follow a road 
>>>that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add in the depth 
>>>of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a rod down 
>>>through the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this will take 
>>>some time.
>>>
>>>Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( 
>>>www.offthewalldiving.com )  had done 3 years of interviews and archives 
>>>of old aerial soil assay pictures from the 60's. After endless hrs 
>>>motoring around looking Bill contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , 
>>>Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. 
>>>After a few days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge 
>>>with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water 
>>>River that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from someone 
>>>standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp Jocassee". Camp 
>>>Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer 
>>>before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for the camp owners 
>>>and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The entrance to the 
>>>camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each side of a white 
>>>picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the bridge looking 
>>>toward the camp entrance.
>>>I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. Jackie arranged 
>>>for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive 
>>>Charters"( www.offthewalldiving.com )  and I assembled the group, I had 
>>>at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that many would back out once 
>>>the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying you can do a 300ft 
>>>dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it are 2 different 
>>>things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes much more.
>>>
>>>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I even 
>>>heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that weekend 
>>>and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make the 
>>>dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)
>>>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his engine 
>>>blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.
>>>Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) dropped a 
>>>shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the level of the 
>>>lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees remained on 
>>>each side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter it until we 
>>>found the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and secured to the 
>>>bridge, then a permanent line could then be attached to it.
>>>
>>>Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and geared up 
>>>for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool of 33, to 
>>>a cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas needed for 
>>>the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by Tom, I am 
>>>not allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp was 65 on 
>>>top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from 20ft down 
>>>to 5ft around 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive during the 
>>>descent, I could not understand why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to 
>>>me and yet Tom still was calling the dive, I could not understand why. I 
>>>asked Tom why and on his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ 
>>>It is a standing rule that if one calls the dive we must all surface, 
>>>but that did not mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I knocked 
>>>my own mask off while moving stages around because I was so pissed. Once 
>>>on the boat he explained that scootering in that low vis was not doable 
>>>and we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he was correct, but 
>>>we did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we would 
>>>find he was right about that and was only concerned with every ones safety.
>>>
>>>The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and Rodney 
>>>King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that was dropped 
>>>and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it, 
>>>hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down and could see 
>>>they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the hook 
>>>had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft.
>>>
>>>With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. Tom, Bill, 
>>>Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to the 
>>>bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we believed 
>>>the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay near them 
>>>and survey.
>>>
>>>Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for everyone 
>>>to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to the 
>>>bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the 
>>>bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the 
>>>same tanks from the first dive and they were less than full when we 
>>>started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had 
>>>reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they 
>>>were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to the up line and 
>>>just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They returned with excitement 
>>>in their eyes having run the line to a white picket fence that surrounds 
>>>the camp which has stone pillars at the entrance and can be seen in the 
>>>video, the reel was left on the fence for who ever goes next to run the 
>>>line into the camp house which should be just inside.
>>>
>>>Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and chain 
>>>it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was placed 
>>>on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were taken.
>>>
>>>I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and place photos 
>>>on my site as soon as I can.
>>>
>>>Hope you have enjoyed this report
>>>Capt JT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in 
>>>the water"
>>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in 
>>>the water"
>>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>>
>
>
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in 
>the water"
>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>  Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>

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I will only answer you this once, after that you just try and turn these
things into a shouting match. Funny how I can write about a dive and only
the truth comes out in it. Just like I told the old short guy....make
what you want of it. <br>
<br>
Also you want everyone to watch a TV show that leaves out the accident.
Lets put the facts out there. That team was hand picked, the so called
"dream team of diving", yet with all the planning, ect. ect. a
diver still got bent like a pretzel, I did not hear or see it in the show
or have anyone post from the trip that it happened and later another
diver from the team would die diving solo in a cave. These are just the
facts.<br>
<br>
It is really great that GUE forces their instructors to have good basic
skills and even requires them to do a few real dives a year . But to have
good enough skills to become a GUE instructor is not enough to handle the
extreme stress of a 500ft dive, this was found out in the accident that
was reported on techdiver (
<a=
 href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?54330,=
from" eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdive=
r/display?54330,from</a> 
)of the GUE instructor his name was on this post and buddy who either
panicked or had a RB problem at depth, bolted, and got seriously bent. I
hear there was no mention of this on quest, was there a cover up so not
to rattle the following? I give you permission to show my 490ft dive
tape(since you have a stolen copy) to all GUE instructors so they can see
how a 2 man team does that dive and no one gets hurt, they may have good
enough skills to be the best instructors, but at least one had trouble
surviving a real dive.<br>
<br>
I hear you have been bashing Andrew over on quest pretty good, we all
know none of those GUE instructors will stand up to you. They depend on
doing diving instruction as a living and understand that when you shake
that money tree on these lists it will effect their income. I have met a
lot of these guys and they are just normal guys trying to make a
buck.<br>
<br>
I do not make a dime off of diving and nothing you can do or say will
effect me. So standing up to you is just the right thing for me. When I
call someone a "weenie", I'm right on the mark........ The last
diver I called that on this list which was over a month ago has come and
dived with me, he had 75 logged dives and is no match for me or anyone in
our group. He was actually better than I thought he would be. Nice guy,
he just will need a lot of dives and work to get where he wants to
be.<br>
<br>
So where does all this take us.........the fact remains and will always
remain as long as people place their heads underwater someone will die,
even the best will have a problem sometime, getting them to admit it or
that it has happen  is a hard thing to do . I have yet had to go to
a chamber, no one has died on any trip I am in charge of. To my knowledge
few have done more sub 300ft wreck dives than me. I only know a few
divers who are more tougher underwater than me in the conditions I dive
in. And you ain't one of them, I saw how that 53 degree water kicked your
ass here on a 140ft dive. Stick to the clear warm water in them caves and
you will remain at the top and can beat your chest. <br>
<br>
I know you are going to blast a reply, I wouldn't expect anything less,
but don't expect a reply from me.<br>
<br>
BTW do you plan to have a recall on the wreck scooter so you can install
the right clutch at no cost that should have been installed in the first
place. <br>
<br>
<br>
  At 06:17 AM 11/7/02 -0500, George Irvine wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite cite>Listen, "Capt JT" , this is really
pathetic. For one, you have so little skill and  knowledge that it
is laughable when you discuss taking days to deal with this self-created
clusterfuck that would be nothing to a skilled diver. You calling people
weenies is laughable when I know for a fact that you would not know where
to start with  a real dive. Your criticism of people who show proper
judgment when faced with one of your mindless dive plans is inexcusable
stroke bullshit. I will remind you that Jarrod and I both pulled the
thumb on one of your ridiculous dive plans after seeing your SWBS in
action. Want to call the two of us "weenies", Big Time?<br>
<br>
The fact is that you and you alone are the problem on all your dives -
not only for yourself but for everyone around you. I can not believe
these guys still subject themselves to this.<br>
<br>
<blockquote>By the way, as long as you are sending your reports to the
rest of the gang "to make changes if it is true or I am mistaken
before I post it", perhaps  you could persuade one of them to
edit out the illiteracy so that the comedy of your stupidity does not
divert attention from the seriousness of the stroke example that you set.
The problem is that people are laughing at you on here, and you are not
the least bit funny. <font face=3D"tahoma">
<dl>
<dd>-----Original Message-----</font><font face=3D"tahoma" size=3D2>=20
<dd>From: joe@po*.co*
[<a href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*"=
 eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:joe@po*.co*</a>]=20
<dd>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:22 PM=20
<dd>To: vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT=20
<dd>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
<dd>Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project<br>
<br>
</font><font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>
<dd>I do not doubt the veracity of the report.  You couldn't have
made that up.  I am talking about your ridicule of those whose
survival instincts prompted them to back out.  I find that offensive
because it is a good way to push people into getting themselves killed
for fear of being criticized.</font>=20
<dd> =20
<dd> =20
<dd> =20
<dd>----- Original Message -----=20
<dd>From: <a href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</a>=20
<dd>To: <a href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">Joe</a> ;
<a href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</a>=20
<dd>Cc:
<a href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</a> ;
<a href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</a>=20
<dd>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM=20
<dd>Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project<br>
<br>

<dd>Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who were
to go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post anything
different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to those
on the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I
am mistaken before I post it. <br>
<br>

<dd> At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe
wrote:<font face=3D"arial" size=3D2><blockquote type=3Dcite cite>
<dd>JT:</font>=20
<dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>=20
<dd>I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense
than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond
their abilities and experience or that they just were using good judgment
and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.</font>=20
<dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>=20
<dd>You make the dive sound like a dare.  What's up with
that?</font>=20
<dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>=20
<dd>Best.</font>=20
<dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>=20
<dd>Joe</font>=20
<dd> =20
<dd> =20
<dd>----- Original Message -----=20
<dd>From: <a href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</a>=20
<dd>To:
<a href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</a>=20
<dd>Cc:
<a href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</a> ;
<a href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</a>=20
<dd>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20
<dd>Subject: Lake Jocassee Project<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>

<dd>Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to 350ft. After
last years trip to the lake ( read about it here
<a=
 href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,=
from" eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdive=
r/display?51280,from</a>
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 several=
 structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what is still=
 there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who really knows=
 what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting point to began a=
 search for some of these rumored things.=20
<dd>Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to follow a road=
 that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add in the depth of=
 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a rod down through=
 the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this will take some=
 time.  <br>
<br>

<dd>Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( <a=
 href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/" eudora=3D"autourl"><font=
 color=3D"#0000FF">www.offthewalldiving.com</a></font> )  had done 3=
 years of interviews and archives of old aerial soil assay pictures from the=
 60's. After endless hrs motoring around looking Bill contacted friends with=
 a Side Scan Sonar , Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to=
 help map the bottom. After a few days an area was located that showed what=
 could be a bridge with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be=
 White Water River that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from=
 someone standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp=
 Jocassee". Camp Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late=
 60's the summer before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for=
 the camp owners and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The=
 entrance to the camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each side=
 of a white picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the bridge=
 looking toward the camp entrance.=20
<dd>I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. Jackie arranged=
 for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive=
 Charters"( <a href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/"=
 eudora=3D"autourl"><font=
 color=3D"#0000FF">www.offthewalldiving.com</a></font> )  and I=
 assembled the group, I had at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that=
 many would back out once the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying=
 you can do a 300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it=
 are 2 different things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes=
 much more. <br>
<br>

<dd>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I even=
 heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that weekend=
 and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make the dive.=
 (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
<dd>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his engine=
 blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
<dd>Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) dropped a=
 shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the level of the=
 lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees remained on each=
 side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter it until we found=
 the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and secured to the bridge, then=
 a permanent line could then be attached to it. <br>
<br>

<dd>Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and geared up=
 for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool of 33, to a=
 cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas needed for the=
 dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by Tom, I am not=
 allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp was 65 on top down=
 to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from 20ft down to 5ft around=
 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive during the descent, I could=
 not understand why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to me and yet Tom still=
 was calling the dive, I could not understand why. I asked Tom why and on=
 his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ It is a=
 standing rule that if one calls the dive we must all surface, but that did=
 not mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I knocked my own mask off=
 while moving stages around because I was so pissed. Once on the boat he=
 explained that scootering in that low vis was not doable and we were=
 getting to far apart for such low vis, he was correct, but we did not know=
 it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we would find he was right=
 about that and was only concerned with every ones safety. <br>
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<dd>The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and Rodney=
 King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that was dropped and=
 hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it, hopefully not=
 in the trees. We watched as they went down and could see they were not=
 leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the hook had in fact snagged=
 the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft.<br>
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<dd>With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. Tom, Bill,=
 Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to the bridge,Tom=
 would run a line from the bridge in a direction we believed the camp to be,=
 Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay near them and survey. <br>
<br>

<dd>Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for everyone=
 to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to the bridge=
 that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the bridge I was=
 at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the same tanks from=
 the first dive and they were less than full when we started, I had gave my=
 second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had reached my turn pressure and=
 returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they were not aware of this and I=
 chose to remain close to the up line and just inspect the bridge to=
 conserve gas. They returned with excitement in their eyes having run the=
 line to a white picket fence that surrounds the camp which has stone=
 pillars at the entrance and can be seen in the video, the reel was left on=
 the fence for who ever goes next to run the line into the camp house which=
 should be just inside.<br>
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<dd>Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and chain=
 it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was placed on=
 the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were taken. <br>
<br>

<dd>I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and place photos=
 on my site as soon as I can.<br>
<br>

<dd>Hope you have enjoyed this report=20
<dd>Capt JT <br>
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<dd>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to=
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<dd>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
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