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Good morning David:
The quote below is what I was referencing. Maybe you did have to work =
but that is not what he makes it sound like below. You can't say that =
the quote below is not ridiculing those who backed out - for whatever =
their reason.=20
I can clearly recall one individual who is now dead because of this very =
thing. His buddies ridiculed him for getting narced so he set out to =
prove them wrong and show them he could "do it" better than they could. =
This is not a sport for chest beating and big egos and this is why I =
find the good Captains attitude so offensive.
>>>> Saying you can do a 300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and =
>>>>actually doing it are 2 different things. The first only takes your =
>>>>mouth, the second takes much more.=20
>>>>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I =
even >>>>heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant =
that >>>>weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he =
>>>>couldn't make the dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
>>>>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his =
>>>>engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
Joe
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David B. Widen=20
To: joe@po*.co*=20
Cc: Capt JT Barker ; Vbtech ; Techdiver=20
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Lake Jocassee Project
Jo
=20
I am one of the people that would normally have been on the trip. The =
primary reason (whether it is your business or not) that I was not has =
to do with a couple of projects I am working on for my Company. It is =
called available time and project due dates. It is not what you are =
alluding to.=20
=20
David
-----Original Message-----
From: FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net [mailto:FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net] =
On Behalf Of joe@po*.co*
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:22 PM
To: vbtech@ci*.co*; Capt JT
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; FLTechDiver@mikey.net
Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
=20
I do not doubt the veracity of the report. You couldn't have made =
that up. I am talking about your ridicule of those whose survival =
instincts prompted them to back out. I find that offensive because it =
is a good way to push people into getting themselves killed for fear of =
being criticized.
=20
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=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: Joe ; vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
=20
Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who were =
to go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post anything =
different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to those =
on the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I =
am mistaken before I post it.=20
At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote:
JT:
=20
I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense =
than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond =
their abilities and experience or that they just were using good =
judgment and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.
=20
You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with that?
=20
Best.
=20
Joe
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20
Subject: Lake Jocassee Project
Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to 350ft. =
After last years trip to the lake ( read about it here =
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,from =
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 =
several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what =
is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who =
really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting =
point to began a search for some of these rumored things.
Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to follow a =
road that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add in the =
depth of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a rod =
down through the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this will =
take some time. =20
Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( =
www.offthewalldiving.com ) had done 3 years of interviews and archives =
of old aerial soil assay pictures from the 60's. After endless hrs =
motoring around looking Bill contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , =
Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. =
After a few days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge =
with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water =
River that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from someone =
standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp Jocassee". Camp =
Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer =
before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for the camp owners =
and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The entrance to the =
camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each side of a white =
picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the bridge looking =
toward the camp entrance.=20
I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. Jackie =
arranged for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall =
Dive Charters"( www.offthewalldiving.com ) and I assembled the group, I =
had at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that many would back out =
once the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying you can do a =
300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it are 2 =
different things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes much =
more.=20
As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I =
even heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that =
weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make =
the dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his =
engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) =
dropped a shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the =
level of the lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees =
remained on each side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter =
it until we found the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and =
secured to the bridge, then a permanent line could then be attached to =
it.=20
Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and geared =
up for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool of 33, =
to a cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas needed for =
the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by Tom, I am =
not allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp was 65 on =
top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from 20ft down =
to 5ft around 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive during the =
descent, I could not understand why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to =
me and yet Tom still was calling the dive, I could not understand why. I =
asked Tom why and on his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ =
It is a standing rule that if one calls the dive we must all surface, =
but that did not mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I knocked =
my own mask off while moving stages around because I was so pissed. Once =
on the boat he explained that scootering in that low vis was not doable =
and we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he was correct, but =
we did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we would =
find he was right about that and was only concerned with every ones =
safety.=20
The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and =
Rodney King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that was =
dropped and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it, =
hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down and could see =
they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the hook =
had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft.
With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. Tom, =
Bill, Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to the =
bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we believed =
the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay near them =
and survey.=20
Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for =
everyone to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to =
the bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the =
bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the =
same tanks from the first dive and they were less than full when we =
started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had =
reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they =
were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to the up line and =
just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They returned with excitement =
in their eyes having run the line to a white picket fence that surrounds =
the camp which has stone pillars at the entrance and can be seen in the =
video, the reel was left on the fence for who ever goes next to run the =
line into the camp house which should be just inside.
Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and =
chain it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was =
placed on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were =
taken.=20
I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and place =
photos on my site as soon as I can.
Hope you have enjoyed this report=20
Capt JT=20
=20
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get =
in the water"=20
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/=20
Email captjt@mi*.co*=20
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get =
in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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<DIV>Good morning David:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The quote below is what I was referencing. Maybe you did have =
to work=20
but that is not what he makes it sound like below. You can't =
say that=20
the quote below is not ridiculing those who backed out - for whatever =
their=20
reason. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can clearly recall one individual who =
is now dead=20
because of this very thing. His buddies ridiculed him for =
getting=20
narced so he set out to prove them wrong and show them he could "do it" =
better=20
than they could. This is not a sport for chest beating and big =
egos and=20
this is why I find the good Captains attitude so offensive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000>>>>> Saying you can do a =
300ft dive in=20
cold water in very low vis and >>>>actually doing it are 2 =
different=20
things. The first only takes your >>>>mouth, the second =
takes much=20
more. <BR>>>>>As the date came within a week the excuses =
started=20
rolling in, I even >>>>heard one guy say his wife was =
planning on=20
getting pregnant that >>>>weekend and he wanted to be there =
when it=20
happened, so he >>>>couldn't make the dive. (not really =
true, but=20
sounds good don't it) <BR>>>>>With the group down to 7 we =
headed to=20
the lake, one guy said his >>>>engine blew up, so we were =
down to 6=20
at dive time. <BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2>Joe</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></FONT>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddwiden@co*.ne* href=3D"mailto:dwiden@co*.ne*">David B. =
Widen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djoe@po*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">joe@polarbearinc.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT Barker</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvbtech@ci*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">Vbtech</A> ;=20
<A title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">Techdiver</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, =
2002 7:31=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Lake Jocassee =
Project</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Jo<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am one of =
the=20
people that would normally have been on the trip. The primary reason =
(whether=20
it is your business or not) that I was not has to do with a couple of =
projects=20
I am working on for my Company. It is called available time and =
project due=20
dates. It is not what you are alluding to. =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">David<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net">FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net</=
A>=20
[mailto:FLTechDiver-owner@mikey.net] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">On=20
Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">joe@polarbearinc.com</A><BR><B><SPAN=
=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
</SPAN></FONT><st1:date =
Year=3D"2002"=20
Day=3D"6" Month=3D"11"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Wednesday, November 06, =
2002</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=3DTahoma
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</SPAN></FONT><st1:time=20
Minute=3D"22" Hour=3D"23"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">11:22=20
PM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=3DTahoma
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A>; =
Capt=20
JT<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A><BR><B>&
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AN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:place><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">Lake</SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
Jocassee Project</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do not doubt the =
veracity of the=20
report. You couldn't have made that up. I am talking about =
your=20
ridicule of those whose survival instincts prompted them to back =
out. I=20
find that offensive because it is a good way to push people into =
getting=20
themselves killed for fear of being=20
criticized.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Djoe@po*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">Joe</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvbtech@ci*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; =
<A=20
title=3DFLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:date Year=3D"2002" Day=3D"6"
Month=3D"11"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Wednesday, November=20
06, 2002</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> =
</SPAN></FONT><st1:time=20
Minute=3D"46" Hour=3D"19"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">7:46=20
PM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> Re:=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:place><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Lake</SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
Jocassee Project<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Make what you want of it, =
everyone who=20
was there and those who were to go but didn't know the answers. Not =
one of=20
them will post anything different than what I say. Every report on =
dives I=20
make is sent to those on the trip and they have the option to make =
changes=20
if it is true or I am mistaken before I post it. <BR><BR> At=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:time Minute=3D"25" Hour=3D"19">07:25 =
PM</st1:time> <st1:date=20
Year=3D"2002" Day=3D"6" Month=3D"11">11/6/02</st1:date> -0800, Joe =
wrote:<BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: line-break"><![if =
!supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: line-break"><![endif]><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">JT:</SPAN></FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I love=20
the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense than =
to dive=20
with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond their =
abilities=20
and experience or that they just were using good judgment and =
abiding by=20
rules no. 1 and 2.</SPAN></FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You make the dive =
sound like a=20
dare. What's up with
that?</SPAN></FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Best.</SPAN></FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Joe</SPAN></FONT><BR> <BR> <BR>-----=20
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Cc: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; =
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sent: =
</SPAN></FONT><st1:date=20
Year=3D"2002" Day=3D"6" Month=3D"11">Wednesday, November 06, =
2002</st1:date>=20
<st1:time Minute=3D"19" Hour=3D"11">11:19 AM</st1:time> =
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Subject:=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:place>Lake</st1:place> Jocassee
Project<BR><BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: line-break"><![if =
!supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: =
line-break"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Lake</SPAN></FONT></st1:PlaceType>=20
<st1:PlaceName>Jocassee</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> is a dammed =
valley with=20
depths at times to 350ft. After last years trip to the lake ( read =
about it=20
here <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?5128=
0,from"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/d=
isplay?51280,from</A>=20
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 =
several=20
structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what is =
still=20
there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who really =
knows=20
what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting point to =
began a=20
search for some of these rumored things.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Jackie Smith who=20
has many dives to the lake had started to follow a road that would =
lead him=20
to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add in the depth of 300ft and =
distance one=20
might have to swim while poking a rod down through the muck to feel =
for the=20
road you get the feeling this will take some time. =20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Capt Bill Routh owner of =
"Off The Wall=20
Dive Charters"( <A href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">www.offthewalldiving.com</A> ) had done 3 =
years of=20
interviews and archives of old aerial soil assay pictures from the =
60's.=20
After endless hrs motoring around looking Bill contacted friends =
with a Side=20
Scan Sonar , Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to =
help=20
map the bottom. After a few days an area was located that showed =
what could=20
be a bridge with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:place><st1:PlaceName>White</st1:PlaceName>=20
<st1:PlaceName>Water</st1:PlaceName>=20
<st1:PlaceType>River</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> that ran adjacent
=
to a=20
camp. An old photograph taken from someone standing on the bridge =
revealed a=20
place called "<st1:place><st1:PlaceType>Camp</st1:PlaceType>=20
<st1:PlaceName>Jocassee</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>". Camp
Jocassee=20
established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer before =
the DAM,=20
it had a main building and residence for the camp owners and several =
concrete block cabins for the campers.The entrance to the camp was =
lined=20
with stone walls with pillars on each side of a white picket fence =
gate as=20
shown in the picture taken from the bridge looking toward the camp =
entrance.=20
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I =
asked Jackie=20
if I could help and the project was born. Jackie arranged for the =
charter=20
with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( <A=20
href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">www.offthewalldiving.com</A> ) and I =
assembled the=20
group, I had at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that many =
would back=20
out once the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying you can =
do a=20
300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it are 2 =
different things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes =
much=20
more. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As the date came within a =
week the=20
excuses started rolling in, I even heard one guy say his wife was =
planning=20
on getting pregnant that weekend and he wanted to be there when it =
happened,=20
so he couldn't make the dive. (not really true, but sounds good =
don't it)=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">With the group down to 7 we =
headed to=20
the lake, one guy said his engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at =
dive=20
time. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Capt. Bill with=20
Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) dropped a shot line =
in what=20
was believed to be the old creek bed, the level of the lake was low =
and the=20
depth here was only 315ft, some trees remained on each side of the =
creek and=20
we believed that we could scooter it until we found the bridge and a =
lift=20
bag would be deployed and secured to the bridge, then a permanent =
line could=20
then be attached to it. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Tom Sawicki,=20
Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and geared up for the =
dive. The=20
air temp had warmed up from the morning cool of 33, to a cool of =
around 43.=20
We entered the water carrying all gas needed for the dive, we were =
diving=20
gas mixes and tables recommended by Tom, I am not allowed to =
disclose the=20
mixes and tables. The water temp was 65 on top down to 80ft and did =
a drop=20
to 46 degrees, vis went from 20ft down to 5ft around 200ft. Tom =
stopped at=20
225ft and called the dive during the descent, I could not understand =
why.=20
Everyone returned Ok signs back to me and yet Tom still was calling =
the=20
dive, I could not understand why. I asked Tom why and on his wet =
notes he=20
wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ It is a standing rule that if one =
calls=20
the dive we must all surface, but that did not mean I had to be =
happy about=20
it. At one point I knocked my own mask off while moving stages =
around=20
because I was so pissed. Once on the boat he explained that =
scootering in=20
that low vis was not doable and we were getting to far apart for =
such low=20
vis, he was correct, but we did not know it was that bad on the =
bottom yet,=20
but later we would find he was right about that and was only =
concerned with=20
every ones safety. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The plan was=20
then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and Rodney King (not =
that=20
Rodney King) would go down another line that was dropped and hoped =
it had=20
hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it, hopefully not in the =
trees.=20
We watched as they went down and could see they were not leaving the =
line.=20
They surfaced to report that the hook had in fact snagged the =
bridge, but=20
vis was less than 5ft.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">With the first=20
day gone, plans were made for the second day. Tom, Bill, Rodney, and =
myself=20
would go down the line we left buoyed to the bridge,Tom would run a =
line=20
from the bridge in a direction we believed the camp to be, Rodney =
would=20
video, Bill and myself would stay near them and survey.=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Once at the top=20
of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for everyone to show up, =
Rodney=20
videoed while Tom and I secured the line to the bridge that would be =
run.=20
Once everyone made the move away from the bridge I was at the rear =
and=20
checked my gas(I was the only one using the same tanks from the =
first dive=20
and they were less than full when we started, I had gave my second =
set of=20
doubles to Tom to use). I had reached my turn pressure and returned =
to the=20
bridge, vis was so bad they were not aware of this and I chose to =
remain=20
close to the up line and just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. =
They=20
returned with excitement in their eyes having run the line to a =
white picket=20
fence that surrounds the camp which has stone pillars at the =
entrance and=20
can be seen in the video, the reel was left on the fence for who =
ever goes=20
next to run the line into the camp house which should be just=20
inside.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Jackie and=20
Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and chain it into =
the=20
bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was placed on the =
line=20
20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were taken.=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I =
will show the=20
video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and place photos on my site =
as soon=20
as I can.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hope you have enjoyed this =
report=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Capt JT <BR><BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: line-break"><![if =
!supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR=20
style=3D"mso-special-character: =
line-break"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"You can't learn to dive on =
the net,=20
sooner or later you have to get in the water"<FONT =
color=3Dblue><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: blue">
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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New Roman"=20
color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
blue">Your Guide to=20
Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</A> =
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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captjt@mi*.co*</SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P>
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can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in =
the=20
water"<BR><U><FONT color=3Dblue><SPAN style=3D"COLOR:
blue">Your =
Guide to Great=20
Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <BR> Web =
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eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A=20
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