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I do not doubt the veracity of the report. You couldn't have made that =
up. I am talking about your ridicule of those whose survival instincts =
prompted them to back out. I find that offensive because it is a good =
way to push people into getting themselves killed for fear of being =
criticized.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: Joe ; vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project
Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who were to =
go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post anything =
different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to those =
on the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I =
am mistaken before I post it.=20
At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote:
JT:
=20
I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense =
than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond =
their abilities and experience or that they just were using good =
judgment and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.
=20
You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with that?
=20
Best.
=20
Joe
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Capt JT=20
To: vbtech@ci*.co*=20
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com ; FLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20
Subject: Lake Jocassee Project
Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to 350ft. =
After last years trip to the lake ( read about it here =
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,from =
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 =
several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what =
is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who =
really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting =
point to began a search for some of these rumored things.
Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to =
follow a road that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add =
in the depth of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a =
rod down through the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this =
will take some time. =20
Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( =
www.offthewalldiving.com ) had done 3 years of interviews and archives =
of old aerial soil assay pictures from the 60's. After endless hrs =
motoring around looking Bill contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , =
Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. =
After a few days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge =
with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water =
River that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from someone =
standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp Jocassee". Camp =
Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer =
before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for the camp owners =
and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The entrance to the =
camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each side of a white =
picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the bridge looking =
toward the camp entrance.=20
=20
I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. Jackie =
arranged for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall =
Dive Charters"( www.offthewalldiving.com ) and I assembled the group, I =
had at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that many would back out =
once the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying you can do a =
300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it are 2 =
different things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes much =
more.=20
As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I =
even heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that =
weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make =
the dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his =
engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) =
dropped a shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the =
level of the lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees =
remained on each side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter =
it until we found the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and =
secured to the bridge, then a permanent line could then be attached to =
it.=20
Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and =
geared up for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool =
of 33, to a cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas =
needed for the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by =
Tom, I am not allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp =
was 65 on top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from =
20ft down to 5ft around 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive =
during the descent, I could not understand why. Everyone returned Ok =
signs back to me and yet Tom still was calling the dive, I could not =
understand why. I asked Tom why and on his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I =
was pissed........ It is a standing rule that if one calls the dive we =
must all surface, but that did not mean I had to be happy about it. At =
one point I knocked my own mask off while moving stages around because I =
was so pissed. Once on the boat he explained that scootering in that low =
vis was not doable and we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he =
was correct, but we did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but =
later we would find he was right about that and was only concerned with =
every ones safety.=20
The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and =
Rodney King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that was =
dropped and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it, =
hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down and could see =
they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the hook =
had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft.
With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. =
Tom, Bill, Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to =
the bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we =
believed the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay =
near them and survey.=20
Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for =
everyone to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to =
the bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the =
bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the =
same tanks from the first dive and they were less than full when we =
started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had =
reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they =
were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to the up line and =
just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They returned with excitement =
in their eyes having run the line to a white picket fence that surrounds =
the camp which has stone pillars at the entrance and can be seen in the =
video, the reel was left on the fence for who ever goes next to run the =
line into the camp house which should be just inside.
Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and =
chain it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was =
placed on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were =
taken.=20
I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and =
place photos on my site as soon as I can.
Hope you have enjoyed this report=20
Capt JT=20
=20
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to =
get in the water"=20
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/=20
Email captjt@mi*.co*=20
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get =
in the water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do not doubt the veracity of the =
report. =20
You couldn't have made that up. I am talking about your ridicule =
of those=20
whose survival instincts prompted them to back out. I find that =
offensive=20
because it is a good way to push people into getting themselves killed =
for fear=20
of being criticized.</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dcaptjt@mi*.co* =
href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djoe@po*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">Joe</A> ; <A =
title=3Dvbtech@ci*.co*=20
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; <A =
title=3DFLTechDiver@mikey.net=20
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 06,
=
2002 7:46=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Lake Jocassee =
Project</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and =
those who=20
were to go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post =
anything=20
different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to =
those on=20
the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I =
am=20
mistaken before I post it. <BR><BR> At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, =
Joe=20
wrote:<BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D""
type=3D"cite">JT:</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had =
more sense=20
than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was =
beyond their=20
abilities and experience or that they just were using good judgment =
and=20
abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
face=3Darial =
size=3D2>You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with=20
that?</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>Best.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial=20
size=3D2>Joe</FONT><BR> <BR> <BR>----- Original
Message =
-----=20
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DL>
<DD>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt =
JT</A>=20
<DD>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</A>=20
<DD>Cc:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</A>=20
<DD>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20
<DD>Subject:</B> Lake Jocassee Project<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to =
350ft.=20
After last years trip to the lake ( read about it here <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?5128=
0,from"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/d=
isplay?51280,from</A>=20
) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around =
1968=20
several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as =
to what=20
is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and =
who=20
really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to find a =
starting=20
point to began a search for some of these rumored =
things.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to =
follow a=20
road that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add =
in the=20
depth of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking =
a rod=20
down through the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling =
this will=20
take some time. <BR><BR>
<DD>Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( <A=20
href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/" =
eudora=3D"autourl"><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>www.offthewalldiving.com</A></FONT></U>
) =
had done 3=20
years of interviews and archives of old aerial soil assay =
pictures from=20
the 60's. After endless hrs motoring around looking Bill =
contacted=20
friends with a Side Scan Sonar , Jonathan Royer & Danelle =
Haley with=20
Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. After a few days an area =
was=20
located that showed what could be a bridge with a creek/river, =
the=20
bridge was over what used to be White Water River that ran =
adjacent to a=20
camp. An old photograph taken from someone standing on the =
bridge=20
revealed a place called "Camp Jocassee". Camp Jocassee =
established in=20
1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer before the DAM, it =
had a=20
main building and residence for the camp owners and several =
concrete=20
block cabins for the campers.The entrance to the camp was lined =
with=20
stone walls with pillars on each side of a white picket fence =
gate as=20
shown in the picture taken from the bridge looking toward the =
camp=20
entrance.=20
<DD>=20
<DD>I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. =
Jackie=20
arranged for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The =
Wall=20
Dive Charters"( <A href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl"><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>www.offthewalldiving.com</A></FONT></U>
) =
and I=20
assembled the group, I had at first limited it to 8 divers. =
Knowing that=20
many would back out once the time came near I allowed 12 to =
commit.=20
Saying you can do a 300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and =
actually doing it are 2 different things. The first only takes =
your=20
mouth, the second takes much more. <BR><BR>
<DD>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling =
in, I=20
even heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant =
that=20
weekend and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he =
couldn't make=20
the dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20
<DD>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said =
his=20
engine blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20
<DD>Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great =
job)=20
dropped a shot line in what was believed to be the old creek =
bed, the=20
level of the lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, =
some trees=20
remained on each side of the creek and we believed that we could =
scooter=20
it until we found the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed =
and=20
secured to the bridge, then a permanent line could then be =
attached to=20
it. <BR><BR>
<DD>Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and =
geared=20
up for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning =
cool of 33,=20
to a cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas =
needed for=20
the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by =
Tom, I am=20
not allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp was =
65 on=20
top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from =
20ft down=20
to 5ft around 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive =
during the=20
descent, I could not understand why. Everyone returned Ok signs =
back to=20
me and yet Tom still was calling the dive, I could not =
understand why. I=20
asked Tom why and on his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was =
pissed........=20
It is a standing rule that if one calls the dive we must all =
surface,=20
but that did not mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I =
knocked=20
my own mask off while moving stages around because I was so =
pissed. Once=20
on the boat he explained that scootering in that low vis was not =
doable=20
and we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he was =
correct, but=20
we did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we =
would=20
find he was right about that and was only concerned with every =
ones=20
safety. <BR><BR>
<DD>The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, =
and=20
Rodney King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line =
that was=20
dropped and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or =
near it,=20
hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down and =
could see=20
they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the =
hook=20
had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than =
5ft.<BR><BR>
<DD>With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. =
Tom,=20
Bill, Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed =
to the=20
bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we =
believed=20
the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay =
near them=20
and survey. <BR><BR>
<DD>Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited =
for=20
everyone to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the =
line to=20
the bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move away =
from the=20
bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one =
using the=20
same tanks from the first dive and they were less than full when =
we=20
started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to use). I =
had=20
reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis was so =
bad they=20
were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to the up =
line and=20
just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They returned with =
excitement=20
in their eyes having run the line to a white picket fence that =
surrounds=20
the camp which has stone pillars at the entrance and can be seen =
in the=20
video, the reel was left on the fence for who ever goes next to =
run the=20
line into the camp house which should be just inside.<BR><BR>
<DD>Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line =
and=20
chain it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a =
keg was=20
placed on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates =
were=20
taken. <BR><BR>
<DD>I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and =
place=20
photos on my site as soon as I can.<BR><BR>
<DD>Hope you have enjoyed this report=20
<DD>Capt JT <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD> <BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you =
have to get=20
in the water"<FONT color=3D#0000ff>=20
<DD>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & =
more=20
<DD> Web Site <A href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</A>=20
<DD>Email captjt@mi*.co*</FONT>=20
</DD></DL></U></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>"You can't learn to
dive on the =
net,=20
sooner or later you have to get in the water"<BR><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><U>Your=20
Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more =
<BR> Web=20
Site <A href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A =
href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
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=
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