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--=====================_615543==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You don't have a clue, you're just looking to post something. At 11:22 PM 11/6/02 -0500, joe@po*.co* wrote: >I do not doubt the veracity of the report. You couldn't have made that >up. I am talking about your ridicule of those whose survival instincts >prompted them to back out. I find that offensive because it is a good way >to push people into getting themselves killed for fear of being criticized. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: <mailto:captjt@mi*.co*>Capt JT >>To: <mailto:joe@po*.co*>Joe ; >><mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*>vbtech@cisatlantic.com >>Cc: <mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com ; >><mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net>FLTechDiver@mikey.net >>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM >>Subject: Re: Lake Jocassee Project >> >>Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who were to go >>but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post anything different >>than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to those on the >>trip and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I am >>mistaken before I post it. >> >> At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote: >>>JT: >>> >>>I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense >>>than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond >>>their abilities and experience or that they just were using good >>>judgment and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2. >>> >>>You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with that? >>> >>>Best. >>> >>>Joe >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: <mailto:captjt@mi*.co*>Capt JT >>>To: <mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*>vbtech@cisatlantic.com >>>Cc: <mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com ; >>><mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net>FLTechDiver@mikey.net >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM >>>Subject: Lake Jocassee Project >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to 350ft. After >>>last years trip to the lake ( read about it here >>>http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,from >>>) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded around 1968 >>>several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors as to what >>>is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and who >>>really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting >>>point to began a search for some of these rumored things. >>> >>>Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to follow a road >>>that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add in the depth >>>of 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a rod down >>>through the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this will take >>>some time. >>> >>>Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( >>>www.offthewalldiving.com ) had done 3 years of interviews and archives >>>of old aerial soil assay pictures from the 60's. After endless hrs >>>motoring around looking Bill contacted friends with a Side Scan Sonar , >>>Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to help map the bottom. >>>After a few days an area was located that showed what could be a bridge >>>with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be White Water >>>River that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from someone >>>standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp Jocassee". Camp >>>Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late 60's the summer >>>before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for the camp owners >>>and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The entrance to the >>>camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each side of a white >>>picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the bridge looking >>>toward the camp entrance. >>>I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. Jackie arranged >>>for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive >>>Charters"( www.offthewalldiving.com ) and I assembled the group, I had >>>at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that many would back out once >>>the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying you can do a 300ft >>>dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it are 2 different >>>things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes much more. >>>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I even >>>heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that weekend >>>and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make the >>>dive. (not really true, but sounds good don't it) >>>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his engine >>>blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time. >>>Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) dropped a >>>shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the level of the >>>lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees remained on >>>each side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter it until we >>>found the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and secured to the >>>bridge, then a permanent line could then be attached to it. >>> >>>Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and geared up >>>for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool of 33, to >>>a cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas needed for >>>the dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by Tom, I am >>>not allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp was 65 on >>>top down to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from 20ft down >>>to 5ft around 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive during the >>>descent, I could not understand why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to >>>me and yet Tom still was calling the dive, I could not understand why. I >>>asked Tom why and on his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ >>>It is a standing rule that if one calls the dive we must all surface, >>>but that did not mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I knocked >>>my own mask off while moving stages around because I was so pissed. Once >>>on the boat he explained that scootering in that low vis was not doable >>>and we were getting to far apart for such low vis, he was correct, but >>>we did not know it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we would >>>find he was right about that and was only concerned with every ones safety. >>> >>>The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and Rodney >>>King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that was dropped >>>and hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it, >>>hopefully not in the trees. We watched as they went down and could see >>>they were not leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the hook >>>had in fact snagged the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft. >>> >>>With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. Tom, Bill, >>>Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to the >>>bridge,Tom would run a line from the bridge in a direction we believed >>>the camp to be, Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay near them >>>and survey. >>> >>>Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for everyone >>>to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to the >>>bridge that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the >>>bridge I was at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the >>>same tanks from the first dive and they were less than full when we >>>started, I had gave my second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had >>>reached my turn pressure and returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they >>>were not aware of this and I chose to remain close to the up line and >>>just inspect the bridge to conserve gas. They returned with excitement >>>in their eyes having run the line to a white picket fence that surrounds >>>the camp which has stone pillars at the entrance and can be seen in the >>>video, the reel was left on the fence for who ever goes next to run the >>>line into the camp house which should be just inside. >>> >>>Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and chain >>>it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was placed >>>on the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were taken. >>> >>>I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and place photos >>>on my site as soon as I can. >>> >>>Hope you have enjoyed this report >>>Capt JT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >>>the water" >>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >>>Email captjt@mi*.co* >>> >>> >>> >>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >>>the water" >>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >>>Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >the water" >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >Email captjt@mi*.co* > --=====================_615543==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> You don't have a clue, you're just looking to post something.<br> <br> At 11:22 PM 11/6/02 -0500, joe@po*.co* wrote:<br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2><blockquote type=3Dcite cite>I do not doubt th= e veracity of the report. You couldn't have made that up. I am talking about your ridicule of those whose survival instincts prompted them to back out. I find that offensive because it is a good way to push people into getting themselves killed for fear of being criticized.</font><br> <br> <br> <br> ----- Original Message ----- <blockquote> <dl> <dd>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</a>=20 <dd>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:joe@po*.co*">Joe</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</a>=20 <dd>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</a> ; <a= href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</a>=20 <dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:46 PM <dd>Subject:</b> Re: Lake Jocassee Project<br> <br> <dd>Make what you want of it, everyone who was there and those who were to= go but didn't know the answers. Not one of them will post anything= different than what I say. Every report on dives I make is sent to those on= the trip and they have the option to make changes if it is true or I am= mistaken before I post it. <br> <br> <dd> At 07:25 PM 11/6/02 -0800, Joe wrote:<font face=3D"arial"= size=3D2><blockquote type=3Dcite cite> <dd>JT:</font> <dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2> <dd>I love the way you try to make fun of the people that had more sense= than to dive with you, whether the reason was that the dive was beyond= their abilities and experience or that they just were using good judgment= and abiding by rules no. 1 and 2.</font> <dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2> <dd>You make the dive sound like a dare. What's up with that?</font> <dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2> <dd>Best.</font> <dd> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2> <dd>Joe</font> <dd> <dd> <dd>----- Original Message -----=20 <dd>From: <a href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*">Capt JT</a>=20 <dd>To: <a href=3D"mailto:vbtech@ci*.co*">vbtech@cisatlantic.com</a>= =20 <dd>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</a>= ; <a href=3D"mailto:FLTechDiver@mikey.net">FLTechDiver@mikey.net</a>=20 <dd>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:19 AM=20 <dd>Subject: Lake Jocassee Project<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <dd>Lake Jocassee is a dammed valley with depths at times to 350ft. After= last years trip to the lake ( read about it here <a= href=3D"http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?51280,= from"= eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/dis= play?51280,from</a> ) a new project was born. When the valley was flooded= around 1968 several structures were left and is the bases for many rumors= as to what is still there and who left what. With forest, roads, peaks, and= who really knows what is down there, it was a challenge to find a starting= point to began a search for some of these rumored things.<br> <br> <dd>Jackie Smith who has many dives to the lake had started to follow a road= that would lead him to a bridge, sound easy? Once you add in the depth of= 300ft and distance one might have to swim while poking a rod down through= the muck to feel for the road you get the feeling this will take some= time. <br> <br> <dd>Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive Charters"( <a= href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/" eudora=3D"autourl"><font= color=3D"#0000FF">www.offthewalldiving.com</a></font> ) had done 3= years of interviews and archives of old aerial soil assay pictures from the= 60's. After endless hrs motoring around looking Bill contacted friends with= a Side Scan Sonar , Jonathan Royer & Danelle Haley with Deep Seekers to= help map the bottom. After a few days an area was located that showed what= could be a bridge with a creek/river, the bridge was over what used to be= White Water River that ran adjacent to a camp. An old photograph taken from= someone standing on the bridge revealed a place called "Camp= Jocassee". Camp Jocassee established in 1922 for girls ran until late= 60's the summer before the DAM, it had a main building and residence for= the camp owners and several concrete block cabins for the campers.The= entrance to the camp was lined with stone walls with pillars on each side= of a white picket fence gate as shown in the picture taken from the bridge= looking toward the camp entrance.=20 <dd>I asked Jackie if I could help and the project was born. Jackie arranged= for the charter with Capt Bill Routh owner of "Off The Wall Dive= Charters"( <a href=3D"http://www.offthewalldiving.com/"= eudora=3D"autourl"><font= color=3D"#0000FF">www.offthewalldiving.com</a></font> ) and I= assembled the group, I had at first limited it to 8 divers. Knowing that= many would back out once the time came near I allowed 12 to commit. Saying= you can do a 300ft dive in cold water in very low vis and actually doing it= are 2 different things. The first only takes your mouth, the second takes= much more.=20 <dd>As the date came within a week the excuses started rolling in, I even= heard one guy say his wife was planning on getting pregnant that weekend= and he wanted to be there when it happened, so he couldn't make the dive.= (not really true, but sounds good don't it)=20 <dd>With the group down to 7 we headed to the lake, one guy said his engine= blew up, so we were down to 6 at dive time.=20 <dd>Capt. Bill with Samantha Swenson as crew (who did a great job) dropped a= shot line in what was believed to be the old creek bed, the level of the= lake was low and the depth here was only 315ft, some trees remained on each= side of the creek and we believed that we could scooter it until we found= the bridge and a lift bag would be deployed and secured to the bridge, then= a permanent line could then be attached to it. <br> <br> <dd>Tom Sawicki, Bill Ripley and myself were tasked for this and geared up= for the dive. The air temp had warmed up from the morning cool of 33, to a= cool of around 43. We entered the water carrying all gas needed for the= dive, we were diving gas mixes and tables recommended by Tom, I am not= allowed to disclose the mixes and tables. The water temp was 65 on top down= to 80ft and did a drop to 46 degrees, vis went from 20ft down to 5ft around= 200ft. Tom stopped at 225ft and called the dive during the descent, I could= not understand why. Everyone returned Ok signs back to me and yet Tom still= was calling the dive, I could not understand why. I asked Tom why and on= his wet notes he wrote "VIS", I was pissed........ It is a= standing rule that if one calls the dive we must all surface, but that did= not mean I had to be happy about it. At one point I knocked my own mask off= while moving stages around because I was so pissed. Once on the boat he= explained that scootering in that low vis was not doable and we were= getting to far apart for such low vis, he was correct, but we did not know= it was that bad on the bottom yet, but later we would find he was right= about that and was only concerned with every ones safety. <br> <br> <dd>The plan was then changed and Jackie Smith, Charlie Johnson, and Rodney= King (not that Rodney King) would go down another line that was dropped and= hoped it had hooked the bridge(if it was there) or near it, hopefully not= in the trees. We watched as they went down and could see they were not= leaving the line. They surfaced to report that the hook had in fact snagged= the bridge, but vis was less than 5ft.<br> <br> <dd>With the first day gone, plans were made for the second day. Tom, Bill,= Rodney, and myself would go down the line we left buoyed to the bridge,Tom= would run a line from the bridge in a direction we believed the camp to be,= Rodney would video, Bill and myself would stay near them and survey. <br> <br> <dd>Once at the top of the bridge which was at 289ft I waited for everyone= to show up, Rodney videoed while Tom and I secured the line to the bridge= that would be run. Once everyone made the move away from the bridge I was= at the rear and checked my gas(I was the only one using the same tanks from= the first dive and they were less than full when we started, I had gave my= second set of doubles to Tom to use). I had reached my turn pressure and= returned to the bridge, vis was so bad they were not aware of this and I= chose to remain close to the up line and just inspect the bridge to= conserve gas. They returned with excitement in their eyes having run the= line to a white picket fence that surrounds the camp which has stone= pillars at the entrance and can be seen in the video, the reel was left on= the fence for who ever goes next to run the line into the camp house which= should be just inside.<br> <br> <dd>Jackie and Charlie were tasked to take down a permanent line and chain= it into the bridge that would be left for future dives, a keg was placed on= the line 20ft under the surface and GPS coordinates were taken. <br> <br> <dd>I will show the video at the VBtech meeting on Thursday and place photos= on my site as soon as I can.<br> <br> <dd>Hope you have enjoyed this report=20 <dd>Capt JT <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <dd> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <dd>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to= get in the water"<font color=3D"#0000FF">=20 <dd>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more=20 <dd> Web Site <a href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"= eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a>=20 <dd>Email captjt@mi*.co*</font>=20 </dl><br> <br> <br> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in= the water"<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF">Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East= Coast & more <br> Web Site <a href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"= eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br> Email captjt@mi*.co*<br> </font></u></blockquote></blockquote><br> <br> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in= the water"<br> <font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East= Coast & more <br> Web Site <a href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"= eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</a><a= href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/" eudora=3D"autourl">/<br> </a>Email captjt@mi*.co*<br> <br> </font></u></html> --=====================_615543==_.ALT-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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