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A bad design is a bad design. Go find a friend who is an engineer (mechanical or aerospace), show him the two designs side by side and have him (or her :-) ) comment. Maybe you can take their word for it. (It is better if this person would be a non-diver, as then you would have ZERO complaints about their objectivity). I am such an engineer, though I am sure you wouldn't take my word on it. Anyone who demands proof should go out and find it instead of demanding for it. I remember reading that after one of the most recent (Inspiration) deaths the UK HSE (?) or a coroner DID comment that the death was questionable and the equipment needed to be looked at closer. (ok - not sure which one of the two) Your life is in your hands - and mine is in my hands - that is why I dive open circuit and will continue to do so. If you choose to dive with a more complicated peace of gear, you have to choose amongst them, but try to be objective when doing so. (Just because the Buddy is made in the UK is no reason to dive it; ex: the Concorde wastes fuel and is VERY loud and flies at a loss to the airlines simply because the British and the French want a symbol of their aerospace accomplishments up in the air - totally impractical even from the business standpoint, yet still around) I know statistics can be lied with, but these are piss-poor examples, since the numbers are not disputed by ANYONE - not even Diver magazine's Trewavas who is pro-rebreather and pro-Inspiration. Although open circuit is 'safer', omitting decompression is equally dangerous, and unless the RB-80 PREVENTED the divers in question from decompressing properly (and carrying proper bailout to do so in the event of failure), then you (and the others posting in similar tones) have no argument. Next question? Gene Avakyan >From: "Paul Wright" <paul@ha*.co*.uk*> >To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Subject: Re: Halcyon RB 80 Accident >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:46:24 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc1-f32.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.39]) by >mc1-s13.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 12 >Sep 2002 07:14:33 -0700 >Received: from fulton.opal.com ([198.3.124.1]) by mc1-f32.law16.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:14:27 -0700 >Received: (mail@lo*) by fulton.opal.com (8.11.2/jr5.1) for >techdiver_x@aquanaut.comid g8CDXRJ21908; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:33:27 -0400 >Received: from c2bapps6.btconnect.com (c2bapps6.btconnect.com >[193.113.209.27]) by fulton.opal.com (8.11.2/jr5.1) with SMTP for ><techdiver@aquanaut.com>id g8CCjXg20464; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:45:34 -0400 >Received: from HALTONPHOENIX (actually host >host213-122-134-65.in-addr.btopenworld.com) by c2bapps6 with SMTP-CUST >(XT-PP); Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:44:55 +0100 >Precedence: bulk >Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >Message-ID: <00f101c25a5a$6ef8c9b0$5ba37ad5@HA*> >References: <200209111715.g8BHFfg12049@fu*.op*.co*> ><000501c25a45$72195020$1060f63e@He*> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >Return-Path: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2002 14:14:27.0193 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B3F1D690:01C25A66] > >That is the point of the posting, proof that statistics can show anything. >The rebreather brand used is as relevant to the incident as the type of >watch they wore. it just demonstrates how partisan some people can be when >an accident occurs and they use it as an excuse to attack a brand or >concept >that is competing with their favourite, for whatever reason. > >Paul > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Hechler" <michael.hechler@gm*.de*> >To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:16 AM >Subject: Re: Halcyon RB 80 Accident > > > > > 3. Assuming the number of Halycon RB-80s sold is as small as I think >it > > is, Halycon now has the first 2 Places in number of diving accidents per > > rebreather sold. Using statistics we should be able to show that the > > inspiration is much safer! > > > > Michael, this is not an accident caused by rebreather failure, this >happend > > because of stupid deko and missing deko gases. > > > > Michael Hechler > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. Gene Avakyan --------------------------------------------- Direct examination of psychologically healthy people shows pretty clearly that they are positively attracted to the mysterious, to the unknown, to the puzzling and unexplained. This is noteworthy because it contrasts sharply with the psychologically sick person's tendency to be threatened by the unfamiliar, the ambiguous , the unknown. Maslow, "The need to know and the fear of knowing" General Journal of General Psychology. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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