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Well said, Mr. La Mare. By no means are you alone in your feelings. Score 
one for the Real good guys!

Robert Bostic


At 07:18 PM 8/27/02 +0300, De La Mare wrote:
>I first subscribed to this technical forum because I believed it was a 
>place I could learn from others who have been diving  a lot longer than I have.
>However, in the few months I have been on it I have realized that it is a 
>place where no one dares to talk freely about their own equipment use or 
>of the problems they have encountered during dives.
>
>Surely we are all in the same boat, we want to learn more from each others 
>successes and failures during dives. No one should be afraid to talk about 
>anything concerning technical diving. If during you dive last weekend you 
>encountered a problem this surely should be the place to talk about it and 
>share it with others, so maybe we can learn from each others mistakes.
>
>Clearly this is not the case at all because we are all afraid of that word 
>stroke !!
>We all started from the beginning, strokes maybe. I myself cannot possibly 
>afford to buy all the correct diving equipment recommended by the DIR 
>philosophy which I strongly believe is the correct way of diving in this 
>new era. I have a none diving wife and two young children and diving is 
>simply a hobby to me. If I went out and bought all the equipment I believe 
>is best for my dives I would be a single man paying child support. So for 
>now I must contend to dive with some of my equipment being substandard 
>until I can afford the  parts I want.
>
>Should I stop diving until I have every piece of equipment that is DIR 
>approved. I think Mr. Irvine might say yes, but I say no.
>I will continue to dive but there are dives I simply cannot do until I am 
>happy that I have the correct equipment to make my dives as safe as possible.
>
>What is really lacking  in this forum is people talking about diving. Any 
>one who has made over 300 dives must surely have had near misses 
>underwater. Surely its not a perfect science. I for one want to be able to 
>read about it, so please lets stop being afraid of the Big Guns around 
>here who are ready to shoot us dead as soon as we admit to failure.
>Two weeks ago I was diving on a wreck I have made over 200 dives on and 
>believe I know so well and feel so at home on, but I made a fundamental 
>mistake and broke  two rules. I have no excuses for it and I should no better.
>I share it with you guys now and hope others may be less afraid to admit 
>their errors here.
>I went solo diving  and entered a wreck at 40m and made my way to the 
>engine room. I have been their at least 10 times and know the route well. 
>It also has a fixed line leading you there and back and is not too 
>difficult. During my dive there were about 40 other divers on the wreck 
>all tourists  being led by dive schools in the area.
>While I was in the engine room a group of divers entered one of the small 
>rooms that I had to pass through on my return to the exit. While they were 
>in there they completely destroyed the vis and when I came back into that 
>room I became completely disorientated and for 3 minutes I was lost and 
>could not find the exit door out even though   there was a fixed line. I 
>held on to the line and repeated to myself over and over not to panic, I 
>know this room well and I know the exit is there. I did find it and I 
>survived but had I panicked I may not be here now.
>Even though there is a permanent line fixed leading from the lower 
>car  deck to the engine room I still should have deployed my own line.
>I have learnt my lesson perhaps the hard way, and now I share it with you. 
>Perhaps I may make others like myself who think that being totally 
>familiar with a wreck doesn't mean you can break the fundamental rules of 
>penetration.
>
>I want to thank all those who answered my request for information on the 
>VR3. I found what I wanted to know. However thanks to some of you guys I 
>have come to the conclusion I have no need of this computer. My dives are 
>square dives, I need only the planner and a slate and a reasonable back up 
>computer. I will save my money and buy the HID 18 watt which I have long 
>coveted but never been able to afford.
>
>Andre De La Mare (Cyprus)

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<html>
Well said, Mr. La Mare. By no means are you alone in your feelings. Score
one for the Real good guys!<br><br>
Robert Bostic<br><br>
<br>
At 07:18 PM 8/27/02 +0300, De La Mare wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>I first
subscribed to this technical forum because I believed it was a place I
could learn from others who have been diving  a lot longer than I
have.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>However, in the few months I have been on it I
have realized that it is a place where no one dares to talk freely about
their own equipment use or of the problems they have encountered during
dives.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Surely we are all in the same boat, we want to
learn more from each others successes and failures during dives. No one
should be afraid to talk about anything concerning technical diving. If
during you dive last weekend you encountered a problem this surely should
be the place to talk about it and share it with others, so maybe we can
learn from each others mistakes.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Clearly this is not the case at all because we
are all afraid of that word stroke !!</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>We all started from the beginning, strokes
maybe. I myself cannot possibly afford to buy all the correct diving
equipment recommended by the DIR philosophy which I strongly believe is
the correct way of diving in this new era. I have a none diving wife and
two young children and diving is simply a hobby to me. If I went out and
bought all the equipment I believe is best for my dives I would be a
single man paying child support. So for now I must contend to dive with
some of my equipment being substandard until I can afford the  parts
I want.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Should I stop diving until I have every piece
of equipment that is DIR approved. I think Mr. Irvine might say yes, but
I say no.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I will continue to dive but there are dives I
simply cannot do until I am happy that I have the correct equipment to
make my dives as safe as possible.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2>What is really lacking  in this forum is
people talking about diving. Any one who has made over 300 dives must
surely have had near misses underwater. Surely its not a perfect science.
I for one want to be able to read about it, so please lets stop being
afraid of the Big Guns around here who are ready to shoot us dead as soon
as we admit to failure.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Two weeks ago I was diving on a wreck I have
made over 200 dives on and believe I know so well and feel so at home on,
but I made a fundamental mistake and broke  two rules. I have no
excuses for it and I should no better.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I share it with you guys now and hope others
may be less afraid to admit their errors here.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I went solo diving  and entered a wreck at
40m and made my way to the engine room. I have been their at least 10
times and know the route well. It also has a fixed line leading you there
and back and is not too difficult. During my dive there were about 40
other divers on the wreck all tourists  being led by dive schools in
the area.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>While I was in the engine room a group of
divers entered one of the small rooms that I had to pass through on my
return to the exit. While they were in there they completely destroyed
the vis and when I came back into that room I became completely
disorientated and for 3 minutes I was lost and could not find the exit
door out even though   there was a fixed line. I held on to the
line and repeated to myself over and over not to panic, I know this room
well and I know the exit is there. I did find it and I survived but had I
panicked I may not be here now.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Even though there is a permanent line fixed
leading from the lower car  deck to the engine room I still should
have deployed my own line. </font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I have learnt my lesson perhaps the hard way,
and now I share it with you. Perhaps I may make others like myself who
think that being totally familiar with a wreck doesn't mean you can break
the fundamental rules of penetration.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I want to thank all those who answered my
request for information on the VR3. I found what I wanted to know.
However thanks to some of you guys I have come to the conclusion I have
no need of this computer. My dives are square dives, I need only the
planner and a slate and a reasonable back up computer. I will save my
money and buy the HID 18 watt which I have long coveted but never been
able to afford.</font><br>
 <br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Andre De La Mare
(Cyprus)</font></blockquote></html>

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