JT presides over nothing but clusterfucks, and is one of the least capable
and least knowledgeable people on this list. If you or he could read, there
would be no discussion of any of this.

-----Original Message-----
From: vze4cxbe [mailto:dive.master3@ve*.ne*]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:17 AM
To: VBTech list
Cc: Joel Markwell; George Irvine; dmdalton; Duane Liptak Jr.; Techdiver;
'Quest@Gu*. Com'
Subject: Perspective (Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter
Support / WAS - Cheap parts?)


All


    Obviously there need to be a moderaterator in this subject, I know JT,
and he is annoying at best and an ASSHOLE at worst, but he does dive and
preside over more dives per year than anybody on this list, more than
likely. Presiding over those dives he is looked upon as an expert in the
field of diving........PERIOD

    Me, I am an expert in the field of Reliability and Maintainability and a
diver, if the person who built, maintained, or sold, a widget that had a
problem that he personally knew through experience could be better that is
SCREWED UP. If that person were on the list, and did not supply that
information to the rest of the list, improving there equipment YOU'RE AN
ASSHOLE...... Professional and Personal Opinion!

    This forum is for TECH DIVERS looking to share diving information,
obviously there is a problem with this concept, but as I have detailed above
all parties concerned are ASSHOLES. Ironically this pissing contest started
with differing opinions of the failure of either regulators or valve. Drop
the damn subject because people are deleting the emails from this list and
not reading them, defeating the purpose.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: "VBTech list" <VBTech@ci*.co*>
Cc: "Joel Markwell" <joeldm@mi*.co*>; "George Irvine"
<trey@my*.ne*>; "dmdalton" <dmdalton2000@ya*.co*>; "Duane Liptak Jr."
<dliptakjr@ea*.ne*>; "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
"'Quest@Gu*. Com'" <quest@gu*.co*>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Marguerite's Monkey was RE: George's Scooter Support / WAS -
Cheap parts?


> Joel, you said a whole lot of nothing, cave diving is for guys who get
> seasick or don't live close enough to the ocean. The fact is I exposed how
> everyone got screwed with a cheap clutch in their scooters, while the guy
> who sold them doesn't even use that clutch in the scooters he uses on his
> real dives.
>
> Guys like you are so blind, you have to side with him or you have to admit
> he fucked you. Grow some balls.....
>
> If you got a Gavin with a plastic clutch then you got fucked, if you paid
> that fucker for a new clutch like the one he uses, then you believe you
> should have always had it and didn't know it until I exposed it, then you
> let him fuck you again.
>
> The old saying is "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on
me".
>
> Joel, I do think you can be saved....... there is an operation to get you
> removed off his ass, there has been some success and I've heard recovery
> time is very fast........
>
>
>
> At 08:23 PM 8/16/02 -0400, Joel Markwell wrote:
> >On 8/15/02 6:50 PM, "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
> >
> > > Since you think the story was good......
> > >
> > >
> > > At 06:07 PM 8/14/02 -0400, JT wrote:
> > >>  I do not think "Monkey see Monkey do" is really about diving, but
I'm
> > >> sure you think there is a connection, at least it sounds good to the
> > >> neophytes and the ass kissers.
> > >
> > > ........ at least tell us which one you are from the 2 choices I give
> > above.
> >
> >Sorry, Quasimodo, you don't get to make the choices.  When I talk
> >respectfully of my original instructor or George or my dive buds, that
isn't
> >ass-kissing, that's sincere regard for their skills and their willingness
to
> >share what they've learned.
> >
> >If you can find a more successful group of cave divers than the WKPP
working
> >today, please tell me who they are -- I'll pay attention to what they
have
> >to say. If you think listening, learning, adapting and changing are
somehow
> >the signs of an ass-kisser and/or a neophyte then you are indeed a very
> >strange and misguided individual. Either that or you need a dictionary.
> >
> >Personally, I think you're letting your rancor towards George make you
sound
> >stupider than you probably actually are. So tell me, of the two choices,
> >pissed off or stupid, which are you -- or is it both?
> >
> >Come to think of it, I don't get to make the choices either . . . .
> >
> > >> Boring, boring, boring!
> > >
> > > Joel from an earlier post I made......below
> >
> > >>This would not carry on so long if the guys that kiss your ass would
not
> > >>jump out and post, prolonging the facts.
> >
> >So you want to control who posts? Only people who agree with you are
> >acceptable, I suppose? Yes, people who speak up in a discussion do
prolong
> >it, that's true (geez) . . . but then, you can quit any time you wish.
> >
> >So take a deep breath, get that distracting image of George's ass out of
> >your head and chill, go diving. It should help you relax if you do it
right.
> >
> >Quasimodo was deaf, you don't have to be. I think everyone here has the
same
> >goal, safe and effective technical diving. It's just that there are a lot
of
> >strange and poorly thought-out ideas of how to get there. You'll have
more
> >success if you challenge ideas and not people.
> >
> >BTW, facts don't get prolonged, arguments do.
> >
> >JoeL
>
>
> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
the
> water"
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