Jeff, another guy who has a problem with me spewing bullshit since that
seems to be the only thing that any of you can come up with when it comes to
dealing with me. The SA guy was not trained by us, did not get the rb from
us, and was diving deep with four guys on open circuit. One of the oc guys
ran out of bottom gas, panicked, grabbed the rebreather guy and blew him to
the surface from 200+ feet , rather than breathing the deco bottles that
they had. The open circuit guy was revived and taken back down to recompress
and decompress, the rebreather guy died on the surface.

Rule Number One violation, Jeff, but nice try. Now, you tell me about a rb
death that was not solo or effectively solo ( like your ex girlfriend
sitting by and watching Garret Weinberg die). Go over all 50 of them , Jeff,
and try to tell me I am wrong about the obvious.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Waugh / Extreme Underwater
[mailto:jeff@ex*.co*]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:53 AM
To: girvine@be*.ne*; Phillip Burnside; George Irvine; "Inspiration
Mailing List"; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; Quest@Gu*. Com; List Rebreather
Subject: RE: Get out the Shovel AGAIN


George Irvine wrote:
"You  guys can not show me one rebreather death that was not solo, and all
you can do is tell
 me I am wrong."

If I recall correctly, the diver who died while diving the Halcyon in S.
Africa last year was with a group of divers. Imagine that!...on a Halcyon
AND NOT diving solo and he still perished. Go figure. ??? Comments George?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: inspiration-owner@dr*.ne*
> [mailto:inspiration-owner@dr*.ne*]On Behalf Of George Irvine
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:12 AM
> To: Phillip Burnside; George Irvine; "Inspiration Mailing List";
> Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com; Quest@Gu*. Com; List Rebreather
> Subject: RE: Get out the Shovel AGAIN
>
>
> Phillip, anyone who dives solo on a rebreather is a moron. You
> guys can not
> show me one rebreather death that was not solo, and all you can do is tell
> me I am wrong. No, Phil, you are wrong. How do I know besides the obvious?
> All you can do it complain about me when I point it out each and
> every time
> it happens. You guys are at fault, not me, and the last thing I want is
> idiots for friends. I have all I can handle now. The sad part is
> that I can
> name you 30 people who have written mindless bullshit emails to
> me about my
> commenting on dead people who died doing stupid things who are now
> themselves dead. So you see , Phil, my enemies tend to be
> self-eliminating.
> Don't make the same mistake - wake up. Solo diving with a
> rebreather is the
> height of stupidity, right behind teaching a dive course on one (
> effectively the same thing with more people at risk).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Burnside [mailto:Phillip.Burnside@bt*.co*]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:42 PM
> To: George Irvine; "Inspiration Mailing List"; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com;
> Quest@Gu*. Com; List Rebreather
> Subject: Re: Get out the Shovel AGAIN
>
>
> George,
>
> You must get so much satisfaction from being so right so much! It
> must be a
> terrible burden being such a WANKER in the dive community. Do you seek
> solitude in the caves to avoid the crap which you know will descend upon
> you?
>
> As a diver, any account of another diver's death should at least
> bring some
> disappointment to you. The fact that an inspiration rebreather
> may have been
> responsible for his death is irrelevant, surely you should look
> at what else
> the instructor was doing before blaming the equipment , or is your small
> southern bigotted mind just too closed for that?
>
> You also have to realise that some divers don't always subscribe
> to how you
> are doing things over there in the caves. Hat's off you are doing great
> things, and no one will take that away, but tirades like the one
> you let rip
> will just piss people off. Keep sending a straight message and ideas for
> people to improve, discipline/disciples don't work. just ask the church
> about that!
>
> Digger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
> To: ""Inspiration Mailing List"" <inspiration@dr*.ne*>;
> "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Quest@Gu*. Com"
> <quest@gu*.co*>; "List Rebreather" <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:23 AM
> Subject: Get out the Shovel AGAIN
>
>
> > How many of these condolence messages has Martin Parker put out
> now? ( See
> > below) If he
> > is attending the funerals, he probably has more frequent flier
> miles than
> > Bill Stone. Forget the fact that the Buddy Inspiration is a
> complete piece
> > of garbage with inherent design flaws. Let's talk about how stupid you
> guys
> > are here:
> >
> > 1) what kind of idiot teaches any dive course, including rebreather ,
> while
> > himself using a rebreather of any kind?
> >
> > ANSWER - one that does not understand rebreathers.
> >
> > 2) What kind of idiot thinks solo diving with a rebreather is a
> good idea?
> >
> > ANSWER - one who does not understand rebreathers
> >
> > 3) What kind of idiots do the same thing over and over with rebreathers
> and
> > then wring their little hands in despair when the inevitable happens?
> >
> > ANSWER - ones that do not understand rebreathers.
> >
> > This week's Buddy fatality managed to both teach and then go
> off solo all
> in
> > one dive. You should read the account of this one for your "what's wrong
> > with this picture file", including the fact that this dead guy was "solo
> > certified", and a "solo" instructor. I am just glad this moron
> is the one
> > who bit it instead of the students, and to the dismay of all you morons,
> the
> > student who reported it ended the report with "never dive solo", so at
> least
> > this waste of human life at the hands of this piece of crap and
> the idiots
> > who promote it and solo diving did not include students, but as the
> student
> > pointed out, there are always victims in this, and only the stroke
> mentality
> > that seems to go with Buddy users can't grasp this. I'll send
> the student
> > account out next.
> >
> > Sure, you guys don't see yourselves as complete idiots, you
> think I am the
> > idiot. You probably blame it on the piss poor weekend warrior training (
> as
> > opposed to military training, for instance), but that is no excuse for
> > doing the same thing over and over and over again while expecting
> different
> > results. That is not called stupidity, that is called insanity.
> Stupidity
> > refers more to the fact that a high school physics student who
> never heard
> > of diving could tell you what is wrong with the Buddy, and that
> any person
> > on this planet who does not have their head up in the sand can tell you
> > that when something has the kind of track record of the Buddy
> and some of
> > the other miscarriages being sold out there, that you are dealing with
> > scumbags, liars and fools of gargantuan proportions.
> >
> > Let me repeat what I said the first day I saw this piece of crap before
> > they even started selling it and there had not yet been any deaths or
> > accidents at all ( at least not admitted publicly), "The Buddy
> Inspiration
> > needs to be sold with a shovel".
> >
> > Maybe one of you rocket scientists can tell me what is so
> important about
> > diving that you need to die for ? Does the high body count make the
> > survivors seem to be real tough guys ? Is that it? Do you guys
> then get to
> > swagger around on the dive boats and show everyone how fearless
> you are by
> > diving with a rattlesnake in your pocket? Does this put you on a higher
> > pecking order of "tech" diver? A higher "peckering" order maybe? What is
> so
> > hard to understand about the points made above that you
> geniuses just can
> > not seem to grasp? When are you people going to call bullshit on Martin
> > Parker and tell him to fix the problems and then tell Tom Mount
> to fix the
> > training?
> >
> > Let me remind you guys that we banned Tom and his IANTD crew from ever
> > teaching the Halcyon RB 80, we do not allow any form of teaching while
> > using a rebreather of any kind, and we discourage solo diving
> of any kind.
> > Let me also remind you that after all of you tough guys have tried your
> > little hearts out to outgun the WKPP rebreather divers and the European
> > WKPP rebreather divers with these abortions, we continue to easily smoke
> > any and every cave we dive where your "best" fall flat on their
> faces. In
> > fact, even with a somewhat decent rb like the Cis Lunar ( still not the
> > right design, moot point as they are out of business anyway) , it took a
> > coalition of the "best" of you guys 90 days of following my line and map
> in
> > Wakulla to get to where Jarrod and I put the line on OPEN
> CIRCUIT , and to
> > where I expect any of my rb divers to be able to deliver scooters and
> > safety bottles in front of me in one dive in one day on any day.  One
> would
> > think you would wake up to the reality and fix the problems,
> but I see you
> > still are totally baffled by the obvious.
> >
> > Your way is not working - fix it.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Martin Parker" <MartinParker@di*.ne*>
> > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:33:11 +0100
> > To: "Inspiration Mailing List" <inspiration@dr*.ne*>
> > Subject: Bobby Barrett
> >
> > It is with deep sadness that I report the death of Bobby
> Barrett. He died
> > on
> > Saturday 3rd August whilst diving his Inspiration in a quarry in
> > Bainbridge,
> > Pennsylvania, USA.
> >
> > We have only scant information at this time. He was on his 2nd
> dive of the
> > day, he was found in 42 feet of water, mouthpiece out.
> >
> > The autopsy was held yesterday. Hopefully, information will be released
> > soon.
> >
> > My condolences to Stephanie and family.
> >
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Martin Parker
> > Managing Director
> > Ambient Pressure Diving
> > Manufacturers of the Inspiration Closed Circuit Rebreather
> > Water-ma-Trout Industrial Estate, Helston, Cornwall, TR13 OLW, UK.
> > Tel: 01326 563834, Fax: 01326 573605.
> > Website: www.ambientpressurediving.com
> >
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