No, Johnny, I did not copy Rods scooter bottom. Mine is effectively one
piece at the back and motor compartment, his is two with one being HDPE and
the other aluminum which is held in by the motor and which has o-rings which
he expects to hold with the dissimilar materials ( one flexy and soft, the
other metal) . The rest conforms to what I got from Navy in terms of
connections and such.

You are pissed that I would not help you copy my scooters. I guarantee you
that Rod will not help you copy his either.

Another thing, John, I can only tolerate so much mindless nonsense out of
somebody like you before I quit wasting my time.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ivanic [mailto:john.ivanic@sy*.ca*]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:36 PM
To: George Irvine
Cc: joe@po*.co*; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
vbtech@ci*.co*
Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


Nice try George, I talk to rod on a regular basis, not like you that is why
I
washed my hands with you, you always said that if you need anything just
call...
that is  and still is bullshit, and don't give me that shit  about copying
your
scooters, what about the rear ends you copied from Rod... your too much, I
am
building the scooters for my self because I got sick and tired of listening
to
your constant bullshit, You really do have a world of information to add to
diving, but I think that most of all has had enough of your shit.... why
don't
you start that "private list" and call it  SUCK GEORGES DICK .COM... well
guess
what moron I won't be one to subscribe... see ya!


John Ivanic

George Irvine wrote:

> Sorry, John, he did not get rid of them. Rodney is a good guy? Then why
> don't you have one of his scooters instead of copying mine? Buy one of his
> and try to copy it like you did with me, and then call him up and ask
stupid
> questions like you did with me, and then get pissed when he is not willing
> to help you make copies, like you did with me. Then take your copies to
> Rodney and see if he can fix them for you, but don't try to con him like
you
> did me - now he knows better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ivanic [mailto:john.ivanic@sy*.ca*]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:03 PM
> To: joe@po*.co*
> Cc: George Irvine; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
> vbtech@ci*.co*
> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
> JT... you did the right thing getting rid of those pieces of crap gavin
> scooters
> they are truly a piece of garbage... unless you dive with wkpp they  get
the
> good stuff, everyone else gets shit, but guess what JT... they don't know
> anything different, Rodney is a great person and will take care of you...
> just
> do your self a favor a forget about it.... the boy george is truly a
legend
> in
> his own mind... hey irvine just because,  go fuck yourself again you dumb
> fuck!
>
> Little Johnny
>
> John
>
> joe@po*.co* wrote:
>
> > FYI, I *NEVER* let the mate touch *ANY* of my gear.  If you can't handle
> the
> > scooter on your own, you need to swim.  There is no science to this.  If
> you
> > don't drop it off a cliff, it will work.
> >
> > Your friend.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> > To: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*>
> > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <vbtech@ci*.co*>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> >
> > > At 07:29 AM 8/6/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> > > >That is the only decent scooter you have ever owned, but you do not
> > > >understand it ( as evidenced again by this post), and too proud to
ask.
> > Go
> > > >talk to Rodney and let him explain it to you. Rodney will not
threaten
> > your
> > > >ego. I will reimburse Rodney for anything that he has to do other
than
> > talk
> > > >to you.
> > >
> > > The truth is I've busted both you guys with your scooters now, I
posted
> > the
> > > truth about the one he sold to Christina and we used it on the Doria,
it
> > > sucked and he made it right.......now its your turn.
> > >
> > >
> > > >And, I did not charge anyone for anything. If they want to buy extra
> > parts,
> > > >I sell them at cost.
> > >
> > > It was not an extra part, it did not work right from the start........
> > >
> > > >  That reed switch is a five dollar part, the clutch is a
> > > >five dollar part unless you get one that is intended to slip
repeatedly
> > > >without wearing, like the one we use cave diving which costs more
like
> > 120.
> > >
> > > So you admit to selling the guys low end "Gavin Scooters" with low end
> > > parts, not like the ones you use.
> > >
> > > >In your case you just need to be able to turn the pitch off at deco
if
> it
> > > >sticks on. We need to be able to turn it down, then stop the scooter
> and
> > > >turn it back up as we switch stages. Also, you want the thing to slip
> if
> > it
> > > >hits something ( like it did when your mate stuck his hands in the
prop
> > and
> > > >pulled the trigger) so that the relay does not blow when the motor
> stalls
> > or
> > > >in the case of a long term stall , so it does not fry the windings of
> the
> > > >motor.
> > >
> > > When everyone first got these scooters we told them it would not be
the
> > > mates job to move these things around, if they need help with these
big
> > ass
> > > things then they need to instruct the mate on what they want done and
> then
> > > "TIP" him for the added work the scooters cause. He doesn't own one so
> how
> > > does he know what you want done with it or how YOU want it laid or
> handed
> > > to you. That goes for any boat, who ever owns the scooter needs to
tell
> > the
> > > mate what they want, mates are not mind readers.
> > >
> > >
> > > >Please call Rodney and ask him how scooters work in general. I doubt
he
> > > >knows anything like what I know, but he should be able to tell you
> enough
> > to
> > > >keep the nonsense to a minimum and keep you up and running, and that
is
> > > >really all you need. If you were using these devices the way I use
> them,
> > > >well we would have to find a way around your resentments long enough
to
> > show
> > > >you the real story.
> > > >
> > > >Anyway, seriously, go to Rodney and I will call him today and tell
him
> I
> > > >will reimburse for any expenses he has in dealing with you.
> > >
> > > I don't have to call Rodney, he is reading this shit and laughing his
> ass
> > > off..........he didn't like it when I pounded his scooter on here and
> > > neither do you. My post are what others are afraid to post, so
everyone
> > > knows what the deal is, I bet now when someone buys a scooter from you
> > they
> > > will ask you if it has the RIGHT clutch in it like you use, not the 5
> > > dollar piece of shit one you sold us.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > >Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:48 PM
> > > >To: George Irvine; George Irvine; George Irvine; George Irvine
> > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> > > >Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >The scooters are fine, but you do not have to pound the guys when
they
> > > >email you and you should not have charged the guy for the broken
> > > >reedswitch. The clutch is a design problem because it is plastic and
> the
> > > >new motors have to much kick which loosens the screw over time. Once
> the
> > > >clutch slips it needs to be replaced. The plastic rounds
over..........
> I
> > > >do not even think it needs a clutch, it is not a digging scooter and
a
> > > >diver should be able to see anything about to be sucked into it as it
> is
> > in
> > > >front of him.
> > > >
> > > >I will keep the one I have as I am not likely to get another for the
> > price
> > > >I paid for it, but when I build my new one I may sell it, I have 3
> > scooters
> > > >right now.
> > > >
> > > >At 06:37 AM 8/5/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> > > > >You mean the guys who quit diving resold them to the ones who are
> still
> > > > >there, like you for instance. Give Rodney a call - he specializes
in
> > people
> > > > >who don't get it and have a problem with me. He is right nearby,
and
> I
> > am
> > > > >sure he would love to tell you how to take care of your issues.
> > Meanwhile,
> > > > >the other 400 people out there who have them will do as they always
> do,
> > ask
> > > > >me and get what they need right away, but you keep complaining and
> see
> > how
> > > > >hard you can make it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Like I said, JT, if you do not like the scooter, sell it back. I
will
> > > >refund
> > > > >the money.
> > > > >
> > > > >I made that set for your team for wreck diving. You are the
"expert".
> > If
> > > >the
> > > > >thing is no good for wreck diving, please tell us all so nobody
else
> > will
> > > > >make the same "mistake" you feel that you made by buying one.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:16 PM
> > > > >To: George Irvine; George Irvine; George Irvine
> > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> > > > >Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >All the 6 scooters but 2 have already been resold, I got Cobbs and
it
> > was
> > > > >the only one that worked right from the start. If I need anything
I'm
> > sure
> > > > >Rodney can get it for me with all the BS that comes with it.
> > > > >
> > > > >At 06:46 AM 8/2/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> > > > > >JT, if you or your boys don't like the scooters, I will take them
> > back
> > > >and
> > > > > >give you your money back. If you need something , call me or
write
> > like
> > > > > >anyone else and get it like anyone else.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:05 PM
> > > > > >To: George Irvine; George Irvine
> > > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> > > > > >Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >They already tried that with you, I don't mind going public with
> > > >anything.
> > > > > >Remember the reed switch, you pounded that guy in private and I
> > finally
> > > > > >told him to tell you to send a new switch and pay for it, the dam
> > thing
> > > > > >never worked right from the minute he got the scooter. Then you
> told
> > him
> > > > > >you probably broke it building the scooter. Then one of the guys
> got
> > one
> > > > > >that ran backwards. Below is the post I made on VBtech about the
> > > >scootors,
> > > > > >this is when first noticed the reedswitch problem. The clutch
> problem
> > I
> > > > > >looked at last night, once it slips it isn't anymore good looks
> like
> > as
> > > >the
> > > > > >plastic just smooths over. It is a design problem, nothing you
did
> > this
> > > > > >time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >At 07:49 PM 2/18/02 -0500, JT wrote:
> > > > > >Hi everyone
> > > > > >Short trip report on this past weekends gavin scooter test . Dave
> > Widen ,
> > > > > >Tom Sawicki, and myself headed for lake Rawlings on Sunday to
test
> 3
> > > >gavin
> > > > > >scooters. Dave and Tom had their own scooters they had just
> purchased
> > and
> > > >I
> > > > > >was using Cobbs. None had been used by us in the water yet and
only
> > Cobbs
> > > > > >had been test run by George on a dive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >We arrived at the lake after a bit of delay and soon geared up
for
> > the
> > > > > >dive. We all chose to dive streamed lined (no stages or lights)
to
> > > > > >concentrate on the scooter itself. The water was 49 degrees and I
> > felt
> > > >very
> > > > > >comfortable in it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >We all entered the water and I asked if everyone was ready and
they
> > said
> > > > > >yes. I submerged and scootered about 40ft and looked back to find
> no
> > one
> > > > > >there. I waited about 3 minutes and Tom came out, I asked where
> Dave
> > was
> > > > > >and he did a funny motion to the scooter, we surfaced because I
> could
> > not
> > > > > >understand what he was saying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If seems as we all submerged to go, Tom and I were the only ones
> > headed
> > > >to
> > > > > >the center of the lake. Dave on the other hand soon found he was
> > being
> > > > > >pushed back to the parking lot, his scooter was running
backwards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tom and I did a short run of 10 minures to come back and get
Dave.
> > Dave
> > > >had
> > > > > >taken his scooter apart to find the wires had been crossed in the
> > engine
> > > > > >compartment, he crossed the wires at the plug and was ready to
go,
> > the
> > > > > >scooter had cut a 1/4 of inch off his nose when it backed into
his
> > face
> > > >and
> > > > > >I thought I heard him mumble something about calling Alton Hall
> just
> > > >before
> > > > > >he went underwater. ;-)) (joking a bit here)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >We did a complete lap and a half around the lake in 36 minutes,
we
> > were
> > > > > >really moving. Things we found out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Tom's reedswitch sticks and needs to be turned, much like Todds
> was.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Dave and Cobb's are about the same speed, Tom's is faster.
> > > > > >The scooters need about 1.5 lbs to be neutral in FW.
> > > > > >The weight must be placed perfect to get it balanced for the
handle
> > to
> > > >ride
> > > > > >up right.
> > > > > >The motors have so much torque that the handle wants to rotate to
> the
> > > >left,
> > > > > >this requires you to use a lot of wrist and arm muscle to keep
the
> > > >trigger
> > > > > >and handle up right.
> > > > > >If the tow rope is not perfect the scooter pulls up or down,
never
> > even.
> > > > > >Over all I was pleased with the scooters, much of the things are
> > easily
> > > > > >corrected and operator error.
> > > > > >Several of these things will be adjusted this week and we plan to
> > return
> > > >to
> > > > > >lake Rawlings this Saturday with a large group for training and
> > testing.
> > > >We
> > > > > >will have several "kinds" of scooters for testing and playing,
this
> > is
> > > > > >where you test new gear, not on an ocean dive that is a real deal
> and
> > > >cost
> > > > > >a lot. Contact Dave Widen he is the coordinator for the dive.
> > > > > >Hope to see you guys there.
> > > > > >JT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     At 06:41 AM 8/1/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Try calling me and asking . Everyone and anyone else on your
team
> > or
> > > > > > >anywhere else who has one merely emails me or calls me if they
> need
> > > > > > >something, and they get it immediately. You  are too "proud" to
> > call
> > > >and
> > > > > >ask
> > > > > > >me, like I told you to do in the fist place.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Now you can this to your list of "confessions". You need a
priest
> > and a
> > > > >set
> > > > > > >of Rosary beads, not Techdiver.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:24 PM
> > > > > > >To: George Irvine
> > > > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But
> you
> > can
> > > > > > >help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters
> and
> > the
> > > > > > >guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of
> > them
> > > >the
> > > > > > >clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any
> > > > >suggestions
> > > > > > >on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >    At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> > > > > > > >JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a
suggestion
> ,
> > you
> > > > >want
> > > > > > > >to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone
else
> > makes
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > >same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive.
Just
> > ague
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone
else
> > does .
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker
who
> > wants
> > > > >to
> > > > > >do
> > > > > > > >battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you
> > want to
> > > > > >keep
> > > > > > > >doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia
and
> > your
> > > > > > > >concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's
time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are
> especially
> > > > > >concerned
> > > > > > > >if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take
> > over
> > > >for
> > > > >me
> > > > > > > >and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why
> you
> > do
> > > >not
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't
> > know).
> > > >But
> > > > > >you
> > > > > > > >can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to
> fight
> > with
> > > > >me
> > > > > > >all
> > > > > > > >the time have the same beef, only no better answers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >You get on here year after year with stories of deaths ,
> > accidents
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing
> > > > >Fundamentals),
> > > > > > > >and then go do the same things over and over and over again
> while
> > > > > >expecting
> > > > > > > >different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else
> has
> > the
> > > > > >same
> > > > > > > >self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to
> worry
> > > >about
> > > > > > > >anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about
diving
> > is
> > > >Page
> > > > > >One
> > > > > > > >definition of a stroke.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM
> > > > > > > >To: girvine@be*.ne*
> > > > > > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing
> > > > >everything
> > > > > > > >right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back
> > because I
> > > > >just
> > > > > > > >tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive
in
> > 28ft
> > > > >seas
> > > > > > > >(funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR
class
> > and
> > > >then
> > > > > > > >increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do
575ft
> > dives
> > > >to
> > > > > > > >impress the class, most students are of the new type and just
> > eager
> > > >to
> > > > > >fit
> > > > > > > >in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been
around
> > > >awhile
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have
to
> > get in
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >water"
> > > > > > >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
> > > > > > >   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
> > > > > > >Email     captjt@mi*.co*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
> get
> > in
> > > >the
> > > > > >water"
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> in
> > the
> > > > >water"
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> > > >water"
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