Jim, JT is being a baby here. The fact is his dive buddy, Rick, built his
own scooter quite some time ago and should know how they work. The funny
part is he used one of mine for that dive with JT, as did the third person
diving, and Ms Young used no scooter, even though she has a rodney scooter.

Cap't JT says he "busted" Rodney for putting a slow motor in Ms Young's
scooter, and claims that rodney "made it right", but as we all know, the
fast motor costs more in terms of materials and winding, and a lot more in
warranty potential.

I have even faster motors out on test with two of JT's boys as well as with
a few others around the country, which I said I would replace with a
standard WKPP motor if they have issues. So far they seem to be holding up.
The purpose of the faster motor for wreck diving is to beat the current
down the line and save kicking and pulling. The Florida guys say it will
still not beat the Gulf Stream, but I have not heard any comment from JT's
guys or the others who have them.

For cave, we use the standard WKPP motor . For Mexico cave, those guys like
the motor rodney used in Ms Youngs scooter that JT is complaining about -
gives them massive burn time, but there the water is ten feet deep and
there are sinkholes everywhere. I do not sell them with the slow motor -
for those guys I sell them with no motor. I only use the WKPP motor , or
one of the two higher thrust motors if requested for wreck only.

I do have three of the ridiculous thrust motors for me, Casey and JJ as a
"get out" scooter. This one is our first in and first dropped, and is then
used in the last leg out of a long dive. The system we are currently
exploring is a severe downstream and very deep, and at the last leg we have
the most gear to bring out, so we use the ridiculous thrust motor for that
last mile. Since I can rebuild them in minutes, this is ok for us , but not
a good idea for anyone else for cave as the likelihood of overheating them
and burning the brushboard is very high. On a wreck dive, there is not
enough hammer time to make it an issue.

From: "Jim Thompson SW" <jim@sh*.ne*>
Subject: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:59:34 -0700
Captain JT wrote>>So you admit to selling the guys low end "Gavin Scooters"
with low end
parts, not like the ones you use..<<

Captain JT,
The reed that George used in the first set of HDPE was MUCH more expensive
than the 5 dollar part that the WKKP uses! The more expensive clutch has
always been an option.
All the grudges aside, I am sure that you would AGREE that ONE MUST know
their gear inside and out before diving. The HDPE's are a newer venture and
for us, have proven to be ultra sturdy (we have even dropped TWO of them
from about shoulder height)...
The difference might be that George flew out to California to train us...
we
ASKED for the help when ordered the scooters and he didn't hesitate. I
occasionally call; he has always been "immediately available and has
provided unbelievable service"!  I hope all gets straighten out for you.
We originally purchased the Gavins to extend our ra

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Thompson SW [mailto:jim@sh*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:00 AM
To: Capt JT
Cc: Quest@Gu*. Com; vbtech@ci*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Cheap parts - video? RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova
Tech


Captain JT wrote>>So you admit to selling the guys low end "Gavin Scooters"
with low end
parts, not like the ones you use..<<

Captain JT,
The reed that George used in the first set of HDPE was MUCH more expensive
than the 5 dollar part that the WKKP uses! The more expensive clutch has
always been an option.
All the grudges aside, I am sure that you would AGREE that ONE MUST know
their gear inside and out before diving. The HDPE's are a newer venture and
for us, have proven to be ultra sturdy (we have even dropped TWO of them
from about shoulder height)...
The difference might be that George flew out to California to train us... we
ASKED for the help when ordered the scooters and he didn't hesitate. I
occasionally call; he has always been "immediately available and has
provided unbelievable service"!  I hope all gets straighten out for you.
We originally purchased the Gavins to extend our range and as pieces of
SAFETY gear. What we have found, is that even on shallow beech dives these
are FUN......(BTW have both long and shorts).
In Northern California we run into this question from the recreation types;
"Can you use those things in kelp?" I strapped a Video Camera to the body of
a short and set out for the THICKEST kelp we could find.  If you would like
to view the video www.shrinkwrap.net/ftp/BaueIanscooter.rm   (7MB
download) - This is in Real Media 9 format, if you need a RealPlayer get it
here http://service.real.com/downloads.html (it is a pain in the ass to set
up, but a nice media player nevertheless).
Please keep in mind that MY video skills SUCK, we were not fully kitted, I
didn't spent much time editing, this was the first time with a video housing
strapped to my scooter and that this was just a shallow TEST dive ... even
if you are not a hard core wreck or cave diver you will see that these
Gavins are fun;-) BTW the seals love to swim with the scooters... :)

Another cool thing about Gavins is that they have a service infrastructure
hat George has set up and trained around the country like: 5th D in the
pacific North West, Manta Ray in California, DiveTekAdventures in Hawaii,
Walker in So cal? , Brownies etc. So you double your support when you buy a
Gavin through on of these guys...

Captian - Honestly, I hope things get straight for you ~ Jt



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