This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C23EAB.46C831D0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I can't follow this , JT. One is supposed to check the gear out of the water
and then make sure you can reach the valves in the water, but that is it. I
know some of them like to turn them off and on, but that is not necessary in
real life. Tell me what this is in your own words in general, not who did
what.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
  Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:48 PM
  To: George Irvine; George Irvine; Christian Gerzner
  Cc: George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com
  Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


  At 10:56 PM 8/6/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:

    I am almost afraid to ask. What is the "buddy check" thing they do?

  Parts of the below email are from the report posted from one of the 2 that
quit diving after 2 DIR fundamentals classes. With all the checks and double
checks, the only thing missing was someone saying Roger Roger and they could
have been in Star Wars I The Phantom Menace as one of the
robots..........Still with all the practice and 2 classes, they claim the
OOA drill went smooth and then 2 days later announced at the NOVA Tech
meeting diving was over......... doesn't sound to me like it went smooth,
more like I saw my life flash before my eyes during my panic.........


  At 08:01 PM 7/24/02 -0400, xxxx wrote:

  We have really started doing the pre-dive gear check that GUE teaches in
the fundamentals course and it has already saved some people some minor
discomfort by identifying things prior to getting in the water.  It's a
great way to ensure you and your buddy are squared away before getting in
the water.  I was leading the drill for me and xxxxxxx and I didn't hear her
say "check" after checking her backup while looking at her SPG.  I turned
and said, did you check it?  She said yes, but I asked her to do it again
while I was watching.  She checked the valve open, and breathed another 3
breaths off of the back up while looking at the SPG.  She swears that the
SPG was steady for all three inhalations.



  Obviously a mistake had been made somewhere.  Maybe she turned it off when
in the boat by accident I don't know, but I witnessed her checking it at
least once and she swears that she had done it once before too (the check
includes taking 3 long breaths off of the reg).  I have a theory about what
happened but I'll let JT stew over that one for a while.  Either way, a
mistake was made and it was time to deal with it.  The reason we train this
way is so that it's all natural and part of our muscle memory when something
happens whether it be gear or human error.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
    Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:04 PM
    To: George Irvine; Christian Gerzner
    Cc: George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com
    Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


    At 07:06 AM 8/5/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
    >Christian, the guy is full of shit. He is his usual resentful self
here. He
    >bought one of them from Jim Cobb who quit diving as did two other guys
    after
    >Andrew's fundamentals class. If they were so bad, why did they stay in
the
    >team. The fact is the guys who did have any problems or questions
    >immediately called me or emailed and I took care of it or told them
what to
    >do.

    Lets get it right , the truth is Cobb has quit for that and other
    reasons...... the other 2 took the fundamentals TWICE and had it down so
    pat one almost killed the other with the BUDDY CHECK shit they think
they
    learn in the class. Then they quit diving............



    "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
the
    water"
    Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
      Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
    Email     captjt@mi*.co*


    --
    Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
    Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.


    --
    Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
    Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.


  "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
the water"
  Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
  Email     captjt@mi*.co*



------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C23EAB.46C831D0
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4728.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D812081111-08082002><FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I=20
can't follow this , JT. One is supposed to check the gear out of the =
water and=20
then make sure you can reach the valves in the water, but that is it. I =
know=20
some of them like to turn them off and on, but that is not necessary in =
real=20
life. Tell me what this is in your own words in general, not who did =
what.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Capt JT=20
  [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 07, =
2002 4:48=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> George Irvine; George Irvine; Christian =
Gerzner<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
  George Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Cut to =
the=20
  chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>At 10:56 PM
8/6/02 =
-0400,=20
  George Irvine wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">I am almost afraid to ask. What is the =
"buddy=20
    check" thing they do?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Parts of the below email are =
from the=20
  report posted from one of the 2 that quit diving after 2 DIR =
fundamentals=20
  classes. With all the checks and double checks, the only thing missing =
was=20
  someone saying Roger Roger and they could have been in Star Wars I The =
Phantom=20
  Menace as one of the robots..........Still with all the practice and 2 =

  classes, they claim the OOA drill went smooth and then 2 days later =
announced=20
  at the NOVA Tech meeting diving was over......... doesn't sound to me =
like it=20
  went smooth, more like I saw my life flash before my eyes during my=20
  panic......... <BR><BR><BR>At 08:01 PM 7/24/02 -0400, xxxx=20
  wrote:<BR> <BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>We have really
started =
doing the=20
  pre-dive gear check that GUE teaches in the fundamentals course and it =
has=20
  already saved some people some minor discomfort by identifying things =
prior to=20
  getting in the water.  It's a great way to ensure you and your =
buddy are=20
  squared away before getting in the water.  I was leading the =
drill for me=20
  and xxxxxxx and I didn't hear her say "check" after checking her =
backup while=20
  looking at her SPG.  I turned and said, did you check it?  =
She said=20
  yes, but I asked her to do it again while I was watching.  She =
checked=20
  the valve open, and breathed another 3 breaths off of the back up =
while=20
  looking at the SPG.  She swears that the SPG was steady for all =
three=20
  inhalations.  <BR></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Darial =
size=3D2> =20
  <BR></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Darial size=3D2>Obviously a
mistake =
had been made=20
  somewhere.  Maybe she turned it off when in the boat by accident =
I don't=20
  know, but I witnessed her checking it at least once and she swears =
that she=20
  had done it once before too (the check includes taking 3 long breaths =
off of=20
  the reg).  I have a theory about what happened but I'll let JT =
stew over=20
  that one for a while.  Either way, a mistake was made and it was =
time to=20
  deal with it.  The reason we train this way is so that it's all =
natural=20
  and part of our muscle memory when something happens whether it be =
gear or=20
  human error.  <BR></FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D"cite">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: =
Capt JT [<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:captjt@mi*.co*"=20
    eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:captjt@mi*.co*</A>]<BR>Sent: =
Tuesday, August=20
    06, 2002 8:04 PM<BR>To: George Irvine; Christian Gerzner<BR>Cc: =
George=20
    Irvine; techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR>Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: =
VBTech=20
    vs. Nova Tech<BR><BR><BR>At 07:06 AM 8/5/02 -0400, George Irvine=20
    wrote:<BR>>Christian, the guy is full of shit. He is his usual =
resentful=20
    self here. He<BR>>bought one of them from Jim Cobb who quit =
diving as did=20
    two other guys<BR>after<BR>>Andrew's fundamentals class. If they =
were so=20
    bad, why did they stay in the<BR>>team. The fact is the guys who =
did have=20
    any problems or questions<BR>>immediately called me or emailed =
and I took=20
    care of it or told them what to<BR>>do.<BR><BR>Lets get it
right =
, the=20
    truth is Cobb has quit for that and other<BR>reasons...... the other =
2 took=20
    the fundamentals TWICE and had it down so<BR>pat one almost killed =
the other=20
    with the BUDDY CHECK shit they think they<BR>learn in the class. =
Then they=20
    quit diving............<BR><BR><BR><BR>"You can't learn to dive
on =
the net,=20
    sooner or later you have to get in the<BR>water"<BR>Your Guide to =
Great=20
    Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more<BR>  Web =
Site  <A=20
    href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
    =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</A><BR>Email   =
 =20
    captjt@mi*.co*<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Send mail for the `techdiver' =
mailing=20
    list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.<BR>Send subscribe/unsubscribe =
requests to=20
    `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Send mail
for the =

    `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.<BR>Send=20
    subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.=20
  </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or =
later you=20
  have to get in the water"<BR><FONT color=3D#0000ff><U>Your Guide to =
Great Wreck=20
  Diving along the East Coast & more <BR> Web Site  <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/" =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A=20
  href=3D"http://www.capt-jt.com/"=20
  eudora=3D"autourl">/<BR></A>Email    =20
 
captjt@mi*.co*<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></U></BODY></HTML
>

------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C23EAB.46C831D0--

--
Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.

Navigate by Author: [Previous] [Next] [Author Search Index]
Navigate by Subject: [Previous] [Next] [Subject Search Index]

[Send Reply] [Send Message with New Topic]

[Search Selection] [Mailing List Home] [Home]