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Amen. Later, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*> To: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > Good day Mr. Hardy. I trust you and your associate Mr. Laurel had a > wonderful weekend. > > (It always helps to exchange pleasantries when encountering the Village > Idiot.) > > Your post exudes anger. Could it be that you lash out at the world to cover > your inadequacies? I understand your daddy was quite an accomplished > military man with an impressive track record. I also gather that you just > can't seem to "measure up". It must be difficult having an accomplished > father and be viewed a dismal failure. Poor little Ollie. He just can't > seem to do anything right and can't stand the thought that his father wishes > he went bowling the night he was conceived. > > In your quest for acceptance, you confuse techdiving with a competitive > sport and use it as a venue to be a man in your fathers eyes. Hence your > combative approach. > > Sadly, you cannot win, even in a non competitive sport. You are the > consumate loser. "I can't reach my valves so I quit". > > Oddly enough, the arrogance of your post is only surpassed by its' > stupidity. Do you really think that a punk like you can bully me into > retreat? That is your style. Duck the question with childish name calling, > pound your chest and turn everything into a battle over some non related > topic. > > Won't work here pal. > > The reason you don't know me is because of something you should have figured > by now. I strictly adhere to "Rule No. 1", something I have heard you > scream at others. Your choice to exercise "Rule No. 2" is a wise one > because like everything else in your life, you are unable to do it. > > While I am at it you boast: > > "....you don't do the number of dives JT does and survive out of sheer > chance. JT has a track record of planning, executing and surviving hundreds > of dives of all depths in all conditions." > > Survival should never be in doubt because not surviving is an unacceptable > option. You guys seem to think that if you do something stupid and survive > it is OK and a valid option. You can go over Niagara Falls in a barrel and > survive. Your survival doesn't make it any less stupid. > > You also claim: > > "...unlike your pussy 100' vis 10min boat ride florida dives...yap, yap, > yap, blah, blah, blah..." > > Again you go off with the chest beating. Clear water will kill you just as > dead as murky water. FYI, diving is supposed to be an enjoyable pastime, > not an attempt to cheat the grim reaper so you can brag. The methods we > employ will work in any water, be it warm, cold, clear or cloudy. The goal > should be to do an enjoyable dive and accomplish something. It should not > be an exercise in terror so you can boast surviving. For example, tying > into The Doria solo is patently stupid. It isn't a question of whether or > not you can do it, anyone on the trip should be capable of doing it. It is > just a dumb thing to do. You may appear the hero to the uninitiated, but to > anyone that knows the game, you look like a boob. > > Ollie, it is my intention to become the conscience of both yourself and > Stanley. Every time you put out some form of stupidity I will be there to > question it. My goal is to improve the sport by showing stupidity for what > it is and share anything I may have learned with those whom you seek to keep > in the dark. Thus far neither of you have answered one question about > anything I have asked. The reason is because you can't without sounding > like complete and utter fools and anyone following this thread will see > that, ergo mission accomplished. > > Best regards. > > Joe > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> > To: <joe@po*.co*> > Cc: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "VB Tech" > <vbtech@ci*.co*> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > Unlike that band of backstabbing pirates you assotiate with, we stick > > together up here. And when I see lies I call em. So, Joe, how did *you* > > do in GUE fundamentals? Why, I will bet you can teach the class with > > that winning personality of yours. No, on the other hand you'd better > > stick to rebuilding compressors. You seem to be good at pumping out hot > > air. > > > > Yes, your diving resume is part of the equation. If George decides to > > hammer JT he's got a right to. You, on the other hand, appear to be a > > simpleton and a fool. Once again, who are you? What trips have you run? > > What kind of condtions do you dive in? Simple questions, simple answers. > > I am sure the whole list would like to know. > > > > Buy the way I hear you are one ugly motherfucker. Could peel the paint > > off a flagpole. You have to wear a hat all the time so people know which > > end to talk to. When you popped out of your mama the doctor didn't know > > whether to put you in the crib or flush you down the crapper. Not only > > that you are a short, fat ugly fucker. > > > > Not a hotshot diver? Shit, you have done everything except howl at the > > moon as to what a divegod you are. What bullshit. > > > > On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 05:17 AM, <joe@po*.co*> wrote: > > > > > Well, well. If it isn't Oliver Hardy. Stan Laurel has his ass in a > > > sling > > > so you have to bail him out. I'm not the big shot Captain with the web > > > site > > > telling the world how great I am. My "bonafides" aren't even in the > > > equasion. I never claimed to be a hot shot diver. JT has a web site > > > so I > > > guess that makes him an expert. I just want him to validate his claims > > > but > > > it seems he can't. > > > > > > I am still waiting for an answer to the questions I asked. You just > > > keep > > > blowing smoke but duck the questions. You said: > > > > > >>>>> On the ML the zodiac is on the upper deck with a small boom > > >>>>> winch to deploy/sto the unit. It is rarely used, and you now what > > >>>>>>>> that means as far at the motor in concerned. > > > > > > Your words, not mine. To me that is a state of disrepair. > > > > > > Well, I'm off to do a weekend of diving so I have no more time to play > > > here. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > BTW - Trust me on this - I'm just a guy that loves to dive - it is not > > > my > > > business - and I am tired off seeing the sport screwed up by jackoffs > > > like > > > JT - but neither of you guys could qualify to carry my tanks. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> > > > To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*> > > > Cc: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "VB > > > Tech" > > > <vbtech@ci*.co*> > > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > > > > > >> All right, let's cut the bullshit, Joe. You are lying now. First off I > > >> said that the chase boat on this particular dive boat is hard to > > >> deploy, > > >> not "in a state of disrepair". Also I said that JT ensures the chase > > >> boat is running, fueled and ready before even leaving the dock. > > >> > > >> I will also add that, unlike your pussy 100' vis 10min boat ride > > >> florida > > >> dives (done in wetsuits with steel tanks, from all the pictures I've > > >> seen on Barnett's web site), the tech dives up here take hours to get > > >> to, most of the time through big seas. > > >> > > >> Tech dives up here take days of planning and coordination and are not > > >> considered afternoon larks like you FL divers. The dives are deep, dark > > >> and cold. You could spend weeks preparing, be geared up, tanked up with > > >> HE the night before and have the dive called. What do you do then? You > > >> suck it up and get ready for the next trip. > > >> > > >> You Florida knuckleheads would be whining and moaning the whole way. > > >> Everytime you MF's come up here you spend the whole trip out and back > > >> barfing over the side rolled up in a green ball. > > >> > > >> And, Joe, what exactly are *your* bonafides? JT has an entire website > > >> with hundreds of pictures and hundreds of witnesses who can state > > >> exactly what kind of diver he is. You can criticize him all you want > > >> but > > >> you don't do the number of dives JT does and survive out of sheer > > >> chance. JT has a track record of planning, executing and surviving > > >> hundreds of dives of all depths in all conditions. > > >> > > >> You, on the other hand, nobody has never heard of, has no track record > > >> of any kind and appears to be a sock puppet for Barnett and company. > > >> How > > >> pitiful. I did some snooping on the internet and cannot find a single > > >> bit of information on anything to do with you and diving. > > >> > > >> (I know, I know, now you are going to pull out the "oh look at Cobb, > > >> who > > >> quit diving running his mouth again". Well at least when I dove I told > > >> the truth and didn't sit there with some puppetmaster pulling my > > >> strings. Sure George and I collaborated on a couple of projects on this > > >> list that needed working on, but I never said anything that did not > > >> need > > >> saying.) > > >> > > >> So, Joe, why don't you sit down and shut the fuck up until you can > > >> prove, as JT has done, that you actually dive, that you dive in > > >> something other than than gin-clear bathtubs and have planned, setup, > > >> paid for and run multi-day technical dives? Maybe you do, maybe you > > >> don't. Nobody knows. Do you fish or do you chop bait? Let's see your > > >> cards, buddy. Just who the fuck are *you*? > > >> > > >> Jim > > >> > > >> On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Joe wrote: > > >> > > >>> "I said I consider myself as failed the class" > > >>> > > >>> OK JT. That much we agree on. So lets really cut to the chase and > > >>> stop the > > >>> smoke screen nonsense. Artifacts, scooters and dirty little secrets > > >>> have > > >>> nothing to do with this thread and you are using them as a distraction > > >>> from > > >>> the real issues. > > >>> > > >>> Explain to all of us why you keep avoiding the original topics which > > >>> among > > >>> other things included a discussion about the methodology employed when > > >>> drift > > >>> diving. If you recall, I wanted to know why you would anchor into a > > >>> wreck > > >>> with an inoperable chase boat instead of live boating. > > >>> > > >>> I also would like to know why if YOU are doing a "big" dive you make > > >>> sure > > >>> the chase boat is in good working order but the norm is for it to be > > >>> in a > > >>> state of disrepair. Is your life more valuable than that of your > > >>> paying > > >>> passengers? > > >>> > > >>> By virtue your email footer it is clear that you attempt to promote > > >>> yourself > > >>> as some form of wreck diving guru. Yet you cannot pass muster on > > >>> something > > >>> simple like buoyancy control and get flustered if they take away your > > >>> mask. > > >>> I would bet that if a customer failed as you did you would be real > > >>> quick to > > >>> limit his diving. > > >>> > > >>> The problems you described on your scooter clearly indicate that you > > >>> haven't > > >>> the foggiest clue as to how they work. I know I am correct because my > > >>> bird > > >>> called me last night and told me that you shouldn't be scooter diving. > > >>> He > > >>> said that the chimp was pretty smart but that you wouldn't listen to > > >>> him. > > >>> > > >>> After all of this, you still have the gall to get on these lists and > > >>> boast > > >>> about 400 ft. scooter dives. You really should follow your own advice > > >>> and > > >>> get off the net and into the water. > > >>> > > >>> Also, you use " Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East > > >>> Coast & > > >>> more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/" in your email footer. Who in > > >>> their > > >>> right mind would let you guide them anywhere? > > >>> > > >>> Quit the smoke and mirrors game and answer the questions or shut up > > >>> and > > >>> sit > > >>> in the corner. > > >>> > > >>> Regards. > > >>> > > >>> Joe > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > > >>> To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > > >>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:13 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> You got me on that, I said I consider myself as failed the class, > > >>>> even > > >>>> though there is no pass or fail, I said it so it must be true, just > > >>>> like > > >>>> everything else I say.........don't you get the picture or are you so > > >>>> much > > >>>> of a lair you will be anything to cover your friends. > > >>>> > > >>>> I have a picture that Seawolf sent me of one of the portholes being > > >>>> sent > > >>> up > > >>>> and he named the jpg, " Gov. Artifact Theft" . That should say it all > > >>> right > > >>>> there........... > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> At 02:13 PM 8/1/02 -0700, Joe wrote: > > >>>>> Let me see if I have this right. You are unable to address any of > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> issues re your incompetence (failed Fundamentals - BTW that is kind > > >>>>> of > > >>> like > > >>>>> flunking out of kindergarten) so you change the subject and whine > > >>>>> about > > >>>>> scooter problems that a chimp could fix. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Now, after you publicly admit that you can't dive (no basic inwater > > >>> skills) > > >>>>> and have no clue as to how your scooter works, (as evidenced by this > > >>> post) > > >>>>> and yet you boast about taking it on a 400' dive. You sure set a > > >>>>> great > > >>>>> example. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I will help you out on this. I am sending my talking macaw up there > > >>>>> to > > >>> tell > > >>>>> you how to fix the scooters. Pay close attention to everything he > > >>>>> says > > >>>>> because he is much smarter than the chimp. After he gets you > > >>>>> squared > > >>> away > > >>>>> on the scooter, he can coach you on your next big dive. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Joe > > >>>>> PS- The bird really likes peanuts. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > > >>>>> To: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > > >>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <vbtech@ci*.co*> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:23 PM > > >>>>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But you > > >>> can > > >>>>>> help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters and > > >>> the > > >>>>>> guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of > > >>>>>> them > > >>> the > > >>>>>> clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any > > >>>>> suggestions > > >>>>>> on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > >>>>>>> JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a suggestion , > > >>>>>>> you > > >>> want > > >>>>>>> to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone else > > >>>>>>> makes > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive. Just > > >>>>>>> ague > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone else > > >>>>>>> does . > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker who > > >>>>>>> wants > > >>> to > > >>>>> do > > >>>>>>> battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you want > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>> keep > > >>>>>>> doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia and > > >>>>>>> your > > >>>>>>> concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's time. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are especially > > >>>>> concerned > > >>>>>>> if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take over > > >>> for me > > >>>>>>> and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why you > > >>>>>>> do > > >>> not > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't > > >>>>>>> know). > > >>> But > > >>>>> you > > >>>>>>> can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to fight > > >>>>>>> with > > >>> me > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>>> the time have the same beef, only no better answers. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You get on here year after year with stories of deaths , accidents > > >>> and > > >>>>>>> clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing > > >>> Fundamentals), > > >>>>>>> and then go do the same things over and over and over again while > > >>>>> expecting > > >>>>>>> different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else has > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>> same > > >>>>>>> self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to worry > > >>> about > > >>>>>>> anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about diving is > > >>> Page > > >>>>> One > > >>>>>>> definition of a stroke. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM > > >>>>>>> To: girvine@be*.ne* > > >>>>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co* > > >>>>>>> Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing > > >>> everything > > >>>>>>> right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back > > >>>>>>> because I > > >>> just > > >>>>>>> tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive in > > >>>>>>> 28ft > > >>> seas > > >>>>>>> (funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR class and > > >>> then > > >>>>>>> increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do 575ft > > >>>>>>> dives > > >>> to > > >>>>>>> impress the class, most students are of the new type and just > > >>>>>>> eager > > >>> to > > >>>>> fit > > >>>>>>> in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been around > > >>> awhile > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to > > >>>>>> get > > >>> in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> water" > > >>>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > >>>>>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > >>>>>> Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > >>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > >>>>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver- > > >>>>> request@aq*.co*'. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get > > >>>> in > > >>> the > > >>>> water" > > >>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > >>>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > >>>> Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver- > > >>> request@aq*.co*'. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> > To: <joe@po*.co*> > Cc: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "VB Tech" > <vbtech@ci*.co*> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > Unlike that band of backstabbing pirates you assotiate with, we stick > > together up here. And when I see lies I call em. So, Joe, how did *you* > > do in GUE fundamentals? Why, I will bet you can teach the class with > > that winning personality of yours. No, on the other hand you'd better > > stick to rebuilding compressors. You seem to be good at pumping out hot > > air. > > > > Yes, your diving resume is part of the equation. If George decides to > > hammer JT he's got a right to. You, on the other hand, appear to be a > > simpleton and a fool. Once again, who are you? What trips have you run? > > What kind of condtions do you dive in? Simple questions, simple answers. > > I am sure the whole list would like to know. > > > > Buy the way I hear you are one ugly motherfucker. Could peel the paint > > off a flagpole. You have to wear a hat all the time so people know which > > end to talk to. When you popped out of your mama the doctor didn't know > > whether to put you in the crib or flush you down the crapper. Not only > > that you are a short, fat ugly fucker. > > > > Not a hotshot diver? Shit, you have done everything except howl at the > > moon as to what a divegod you are. What bullshit. > > > > On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 05:17 AM, <joe@po*.co*> wrote: > > > > > Well, well. If it isn't Oliver Hardy. Stan Laurel has his ass in a > > > sling > > > so you have to bail him out. I'm not the big shot Captain with the web > > > site > > > telling the world how great I am. My "bonafides" aren't even in the > > > equasion. I never claimed to be a hot shot diver. JT has a web site > > > so I > > > guess that makes him an expert. I just want him to validate his claims > > > but > > > it seems he can't. > > > > > > I am still waiting for an answer to the questions I asked. You just > > > keep > > > blowing smoke but duck the questions. You said: > > > > > >>>>> On the ML the zodiac is on the upper deck with a small boom > > >>>>> winch to deploy/sto the unit. It is rarely used, and you now what > > >>>>>>>> that means as far at the motor in concerned. > > > > > > Your words, not mine. To me that is a state of disrepair. > > > > > > Well, I'm off to do a weekend of diving so I have no more time to play > > > here. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > BTW - Trust me on this - I'm just a guy that loves to dive - it is not > > > my > > > business - and I am tired off seeing the sport screwed up by jackoffs > > > like > > > JT - but neither of you guys could qualify to carry my tanks. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> > > > To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*> > > > Cc: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "VB > > > Tech" > > > <vbtech@ci*.co*> > > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > > > > > > > >> All right, let's cut the bullshit, Joe. You are lying now. First off I > > >> said that the chase boat on this particular dive boat is hard to > > >> deploy, > > >> not "in a state of disrepair". Also I said that JT ensures the chase > > >> boat is running, fueled and ready before even leaving the dock. > > >> > > >> I will also add that, unlike your pussy 100' vis 10min boat ride > > >> florida > > >> dives (done in wetsuits with steel tanks, from all the pictures I've > > >> seen on Barnett's web site), the tech dives up here take hours to get > > >> to, most of the time through big seas. > > >> > > >> Tech dives up here take days of planning and coordination and are not > > >> considered afternoon larks like you FL divers. The dives are deep, dark > > >> and cold. You could spend weeks preparing, be geared up, tanked up with > > >> HE the night before and have the dive called. What do you do then? You > > >> suck it up and get ready for the next trip. > > >> > > >> You Florida knuckleheads would be whining and moaning the whole way. > > >> Everytime you MF's come up here you spend the whole trip out and back > > >> barfing over the side rolled up in a green ball. > > >> > > >> And, Joe, what exactly are *your* bonafides? JT has an entire website > > >> with hundreds of pictures and hundreds of witnesses who can state > > >> exactly what kind of diver he is. You can criticize him all you want > > >> but > > >> you don't do the number of dives JT does and survive out of sheer > > >> chance. JT has a track record of planning, executing and surviving > > >> hundreds of dives of all depths in all conditions. > > >> > > >> You, on the other hand, nobody has never heard of, has no track record > > >> of any kind and appears to be a sock puppet for Barnett and company. > > >> How > > >> pitiful. I did some snooping on the internet and cannot find a single > > >> bit of information on anything to do with you and diving. > > >> > > >> (I know, I know, now you are going to pull out the "oh look at Cobb, > > >> who > > >> quit diving running his mouth again". Well at least when I dove I told > > >> the truth and didn't sit there with some puppetmaster pulling my > > >> strings. Sure George and I collaborated on a couple of projects on this > > >> list that needed working on, but I never said anything that did not > > >> need > > >> saying.) > > >> > > >> So, Joe, why don't you sit down and shut the fuck up until you can > > >> prove, as JT has done, that you actually dive, that you dive in > > >> something other than than gin-clear bathtubs and have planned, setup, > > >> paid for and run multi-day technical dives? Maybe you do, maybe you > > >> don't. Nobody knows. Do you fish or do you chop bait? Let's see your > > >> cards, buddy. Just who the fuck are *you*? > > >> > > >> Jim > > >> > > >> On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Joe wrote: > > >> > > >>> "I said I consider myself as failed the class" > > >>> > > >>> OK JT. That much we agree on. So lets really cut to the chase and > > >>> stop the > > >>> smoke screen nonsense. Artifacts, scooters and dirty little secrets > > >>> have > > >>> nothing to do with this thread and you are using them as a distraction > > >>> from > > >>> the real issues. > > >>> > > >>> Explain to all of us why you keep avoiding the original topics which > > >>> among > > >>> other things included a discussion about the methodology employed when > > >>> drift > > >>> diving. If you recall, I wanted to know why you would anchor into a > > >>> wreck > > >>> with an inoperable chase boat instead of live boating. > > >>> > > >>> I also would like to know why if YOU are doing a "big" dive you make > > >>> sure > > >>> the chase boat is in good working order but the norm is for it to be > > >>> in a > > >>> state of disrepair. Is your life more valuable than that of your > > >>> paying > > >>> passengers? > > >>> > > >>> By virtue your email footer it is clear that you attempt to promote > > >>> yourself > > >>> as some form of wreck diving guru. Yet you cannot pass muster on > > >>> something > > >>> simple like buoyancy control and get flustered if they take away your > > >>> mask. > > >>> I would bet that if a customer failed as you did you would be real > > >>> quick to > > >>> limit his diving. > > >>> > > >>> The problems you described on your scooter clearly indicate that you > > >>> haven't > > >>> the foggiest clue as to how they work. I know I am correct because my > > >>> bird > > >>> called me last night and told me that you shouldn't be scooter diving. > > >>> He > > >>> said that the chimp was pretty smart but that you wouldn't listen to > > >>> him. > > >>> > > >>> After all of this, you still have the gall to get on these lists and > > >>> boast > > >>> about 400 ft. scooter dives. You really should follow your own advice > > >>> and > > >>> get off the net and into the water. > > >>> > > >>> Also, you use " Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East > > >>> Coast & > > >>> more Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/" in your email footer. Who in > > >>> their > > >>> right mind would let you guide them anywhere? > > >>> > > >>> Quit the smoke and mirrors game and answer the questions or shut up > > >>> and > > >>> sit > > >>> in the corner. > > >>> > > >>> Regards. > > >>> > > >>> Joe > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > > >>> To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > > >>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:13 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> You got me on that, I said I consider myself as failed the class, > > >>>> even > > >>>> though there is no pass or fail, I said it so it must be true, just > > >>>> like > > >>>> everything else I say.........don't you get the picture or are you so > > >>>> much > > >>>> of a lair you will be anything to cover your friends. > > >>>> > > >>>> I have a picture that Seawolf sent me of one of the portholes being > > >>>> sent > > >>> up > > >>>> and he named the jpg, " Gov. Artifact Theft" . That should say it all > > >>> right > > >>>> there........... > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> At 02:13 PM 8/1/02 -0700, Joe wrote: > > >>>>> Let me see if I have this right. You are unable to address any of > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> issues re your incompetence (failed Fundamentals - BTW that is kind > > >>>>> of > > >>> like > > >>>>> flunking out of kindergarten) so you change the subject and whine > > >>>>> about > > >>>>> scooter problems that a chimp could fix. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Now, after you publicly admit that you can't dive (no basic inwater > > >>> skills) > > >>>>> and have no clue as to how your scooter works, (as evidenced by this > > >>> post) > > >>>>> and yet you boast about taking it on a 400' dive. You sure set a > > >>>>> great > > >>>>> example. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I will help you out on this. I am sending my talking macaw up there > > >>>>> to > > >>> tell > > >>>>> you how to fix the scooters. Pay close attention to everything he > > >>>>> says > > >>>>> because he is much smarter than the chimp. After he gets you > > >>>>> squared > > >>> away > > >>>>> on the scooter, he can coach you on your next big dive. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Joe > > >>>>> PS- The bird really likes peanuts. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*> > > >>>>> To: "George Irvine" <trey@my*.ne*> > > >>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <vbtech@ci*.co*> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:23 PM > > >>>>> Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But you > > >>> can > > >>>>>> help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters and > > >>> the > > >>>>>> guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of > > >>>>>> them > > >>> the > > >>>>>> clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any > > >>>>> suggestions > > >>>>>> on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: > > >>>>>>> JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a suggestion , > > >>>>>>> you > > >>> want > > >>>>>>> to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone else > > >>>>>>> makes > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive. Just > > >>>>>>> ague > > >>> the > > >>>>>>> suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone else > > >>>>>>> does . > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker who > > >>>>>>> wants > > >>> to > > >>>>> do > > >>>>>>> battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you want > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>> keep > > >>>>>>> doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia and > > >>>>>>> your > > >>>>>>> concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's time. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are especially > > >>>>> concerned > > >>>>>>> if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take over > > >>> for me > > >>>>>>> and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why you > > >>>>>>> do > > >>> not > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't > > >>>>>>> know). > > >>> But > > >>>>> you > > >>>>>>> can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to fight > > >>>>>>> with > > >>> me > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>>> the time have the same beef, only no better answers. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You get on here year after year with stories of deaths , accidents > > >>> and > > >>>>>>> clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing > > >>> Fundamentals), > > >>>>>>> and then go do the same things over and over and over again while > > >>>>> expecting > > >>>>>>> different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else has > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>> same > > >>>>>>> self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to worry > > >>> about > > >>>>>>> anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about diving is > > >>> Page > > >>>>> One > > >>>>>>> definition of a stroke. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] > > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM > > >>>>>>> To: girvine@be*.ne* > > >>>>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co* > > >>>>>>> Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing > > >>> everything > > >>>>>>> right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back > > >>>>>>> because I > > >>> just > > >>>>>>> tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive in > > >>>>>>> 28ft > > >>> seas > > >>>>>>> (funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR class and > > >>> then > > >>>>>>> increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do 575ft > > >>>>>>> dives > > >>> to > > >>>>>>> impress the class, most students are of the new type and just > > >>>>>>> eager > > >>> to > > >>>>> fit > > >>>>>>> in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been around > > >>> awhile > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to > > >>>>>> get > > >>> in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> water" > > >>>>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > >>>>>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > >>>>>> Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >>>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > >>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > >>>>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver- > > >>>>> request@aq*.co*'. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get > > >>>> in > > >>> the > > >>>> water" > > >>>> Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more > > >>>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ > > >>>> Email captjt@mi*.co* > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > >>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver- > > >>> request@aq*.co*'. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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