The scooters are fine, but you do not have to pound the guys when they 
email you and you should not have charged the guy for the broken 
reedswitch. The clutch is a design problem because it is plastic and the 
new motors have to much kick which loosens the screw over time. Once the 
clutch slips it needs to be replaced. The plastic rounds over.......... I 
do not even think it needs a clutch, it is not a digging scooter and a 
diver should be able to see anything about to be sucked into it as it is in 
front of him.

I will keep the one I have as I am not likely to get another for the price 
I paid for it, but when I build my new one I may sell it, I have 3 scooters 
right now.

At 06:37 AM 8/5/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>You mean the guys who quit diving resold them to the ones who are still
>there, like you for instance. Give Rodney a call - he specializes in people
>who don't get it and have a problem with me. He is right nearby, and I am
>sure he would love to tell you how to take care of your issues. Meanwhile,
>the other 400 people out there who have them will do as they always do, ask
>me and get what they need right away, but you keep complaining and see how
>hard you can make it.
>
>Like I said, JT, if you do not like the scooter, sell it back. I will refund
>the money.
>
>I made that set for your team for wreck diving. You are the "expert". If the
>thing is no good for wreck diving, please tell us all so nobody else will
>make the same "mistake" you feel that you made by buying one.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:16 PM
>To: George Irvine; George Irvine; George Irvine
>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
>Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
>
>
>All the 6 scooters but 2 have already been resold, I got Cobbs and it was
>the only one that worked right from the start. If I need anything I'm sure
>Rodney can get it for me with all the BS that comes with it.
>
>At 06:46 AM 8/2/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> >JT, if you or your boys don't like the scooters, I will take them back and
> >give you your money back. If you need something , call me or write like
> >anyone else and get it like anyone else.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:05 PM
> >To: George Irvine; George Irvine
> >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> >Subject: RE: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> >
> >
> >They already tried that with you, I don't mind going public with anything.
> >Remember the reed switch, you pounded that guy in private and I finally
> >told him to tell you to send a new switch and pay for it, the dam thing
> >never worked right from the minute he got the scooter. Then you told him
> >you probably broke it building the scooter. Then one of the guys got one
> >that ran backwards. Below is the post I made on VBtech about the scootors,
> >this is when first noticed the reedswitch problem. The clutch problem I
> >looked at last night, once it slips it isn't anymore good looks like as the
> >plastic just smooths over. It is a design problem, nothing you did this
> >time.
> >
> >At 07:49 PM 2/18/02 -0500, JT wrote:
> >Hi everyone
> >Short trip report on this past weekends gavin scooter test . Dave Widen ,
> >Tom Sawicki, and myself headed for lake Rawlings on Sunday to test 3 gavin
> >scooters. Dave and Tom had their own scooters they had just purchased and I
> >was using Cobbs. None had been used by us in the water yet and only Cobbs
> >had been test run by George on a dive.
> >
> >We arrived at the lake after a bit of delay and soon geared up for the
> >dive. We all chose to dive streamed lined (no stages or lights) to
> >concentrate on the scooter itself. The water was 49 degrees and I felt very
> >comfortable in it.
> >
> >We all entered the water and I asked if everyone was ready and they said
> >yes. I submerged and scootered about 40ft and looked back to find no one
> >there. I waited about 3 minutes and Tom came out, I asked where Dave was
> >and he did a funny motion to the scooter, we surfaced because I could not
> >understand what he was saying.
> >
> >If seems as we all submerged to go, Tom and I were the only ones headed to
> >the center of the lake. Dave on the other hand soon found he was being
> >pushed back to the parking lot, his scooter was running backwards.
> >
> >Tom and I did a short run of 10 minures to come back and get Dave. Dave had
> >taken his scooter apart to find the wires had been crossed in the engine
> >compartment, he crossed the wires at the plug and was ready to go, the
> >scooter had cut a 1/4 of inch off his nose when it backed into his face and
> >I thought I heard him mumble something about calling Alton Hall just before
> >he went underwater. ;-)) (joking a bit here)
> >
> >We did a complete lap and a half around the lake in 36 minutes, we were
> >really moving. Things we found out.
> >
> >Tom's reedswitch sticks and needs to be turned, much like Todds was.
> >
> >Dave and Cobb's are about the same speed, Tom's is faster.
> >The scooters need about 1.5 lbs to be neutral in FW.
> >The weight must be placed perfect to get it balanced for the handle to ride
> >up right.
> >The motors have so much torque that the handle wants to rotate to the left,
> >this requires you to use a lot of wrist and arm muscle to keep the trigger
> >and handle up right.
> >If the tow rope is not perfect the scooter pulls up or down, never even.
> >Over all I was pleased with the scooters, much of the things are easily
> >corrected and operator error.
> >Several of these things will be adjusted this week and we plan to return to
> >lake Rawlings this Saturday with a large group for training and testing. We
> >will have several "kinds" of scooters for testing and playing, this is
> >where you test new gear, not on an ocean dive that is a real deal and cost
> >a lot. Contact Dave Widen he is the coordinator for the dive.
> >Hope to see you guys there.
> >JT
> >
> >
> >
> >     At 06:41 AM 8/1/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> >
> > >Try calling me and asking . Everyone and anyone else on your team or
> > >anywhere else who has one merely emails me or calls me if they need
> > >something, and they get it immediately. You  are too "proud" to call and
> >ask
> > >me, like I told you to do in the fist place.
> > >
> > >Now you can this to your list of "confessions". You need a priest and a
>set
> > >of Rosary beads, not Techdiver.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:24 PM
> > >To: George Irvine
> > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> > >Subject: Re: Cut to the chaseRE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > >
> > >
> > >George, make any suggestion you want, it matters not to me. But you can
> > >help us up here. We are having some problems with your scooters and the
> > >guys are a bit reluctant about asking you how to fix them. 2 of them the
> > >clutch is slipping and the trigger keeps coming off of one. Any
>suggestions
> > >on the clutch problem, the scooters are unusable at this time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    At 09:21 PM 7/30/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
> > > >JT, let's cut to the chase here: everytime I make a suggestion , you
>want
> > > >to fight about it while ignoring the suggestion. If anyone else makes
>the
> > > >same suggestion, you want to "challenge" them to a dive.  Just ague the
> > > >suggestion, not what you think I do or did or what anyone else does .
> > > >
> > > >Everytime there is a real idiot, like the guy on the Seeker who wants
>to
> >do
> > > >battle with me or my friends, you want to defend them. If you want to
> >keep
> > > >doing that, take it off line. You can express your paranoia and your
> > > >concern about my "agenda" without wasting everyone else's time.
> > > >
> > > >You are so upset that people listen to me, and you are especially
> >concerned
> > > >if they buy some piece of gear that I use. Why don't you take over for
>me
> > > >and show everyone what the good stuff is? ( I can answer why you do not
> >and
> > > >why nobody listens to you - you don't have any and you don't know). But
> >you
> > > >can stay all upset about it. Most of the jerks who want to fight with
>me
> > >all
> > > >the time have the same beef, only no better answers.
> > > >
> > > >You get on here year after year with stories of deaths , accidents and
> > > >clusterfucks with your latest "confession" ( like failing
>Fundamentals),
> > > >and then go do the same things over and over and over again while
> >expecting
> > > >different results. Then you want to assume that everyone else has the
> >same
> > > >self-imposed problems, and go into paranoia mode about it.
> > > >
> > > >You need to worry about yourself. You are not qualified to worry about
> > > >anyone else. By the way, your "tough guy" attitude about diving is Page
> >One
> > > >definition of a stroke.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:43 PM
> > > >To: girvine@be*.ne*
> > > >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; vbtech@ci*.co*
> > > >Subject: RE: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I see the truth really gets to you, blows your cover of doing
>everything
> > > >right and by the book. I am the biggest thorn in your back because I
>just
> > > >tell the truth, nothing more. I do not have to claim to dive in 28ft
>seas
> > > >(funny how it was reduced to a mere 19ft at the next DIR class and then
> > > >increased the deep dive of 475ft to the following) or do 575ft dives to
> > > >impress the class, most students are of the new type and just eager to
> >fit
> > > >in with someone or group and believe anything. I've been around awhile
> >and
> > > >tend to check out the facts or just laugh at the obvious.
> > >
> > >
> > >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
>the
> > >water"
> > >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
> > >   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
> > >Email     captjt@mi*.co*
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the
> >water"
> >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
> >   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
> >Email     captjt@mi*.co*
> >
> >
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>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the
>water"
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>   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>Email     captjt@mi*.co*
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