What happened on this post?

Did you fire the Ghost Writer?

I don't know what it is you are trying to say but I will attempt to decipher
it as best I can.

>>>but I do think you were on a nightdive I did

I was on the boat but didn't dive.

>>>I have answer the deco line on a another post to LL.

A sentence must express a complete thought.

>>>I have not heard anything from the guys you cc about the taking of
>>> artifacts from wrecks in protected waters, is that legal and just
>>>morally wrong?

They all answered me privately saying you were to stupid to deal with.
I'm beginning to see their point.

Regards.

Joe



----- Original Message -----
From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>; "Jim
Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
<christiang@in*.co*.au*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; <AUE@mi*.ne*>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


> Hi Joe you are correct, we have never dived together, but I do think you
> were on a nightdive I did. I have answer the deco line on a another post
to
> LL. I have not heard anything from the guys you cc about the taking of
> artifacts from wrecks in protected waters, is that legal and just morally
> wrong?
>
>
> At 06:37 PM 7/30/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> >Hi JT:
> >
> >  >>>I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current
> > >>>doing drifting deco
> >
> >No.  Not if you all leave the wreck together.
> >
> > >>>or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by themselves.
> >
> >In years past we would leave after the 10' stop.  I personally would stay
> >with whomever I buddied with (we pick one person out of the group with
whom
> >we buddy) but would leave when he and I finished.  If someone else
appeared
> >to be OK and gave the OK sign I would leave, my reason being that many
> >divers do far more deco than is necessary and I don't like staying on the
> >high ppO2's more than I have to.  However, after witnessing someone leave
> >deco OK, surface, swim a bit and then convulse, I have seriously
rethought
> >that practice and leave NO one in the water alone, even a total stranger.
> >
> > >>> was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while
>>>the
> >rest went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had >>>recovered
off
> >the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but >>>when I found out
> >the wreck was protected and told to keep my >>>mouth shut, I even got a
> >worse feeling about diving with those guys.
> >
> >Since you and I have never been in the water together, I don't quite know
> >what you are alluding to.  I would, however, have to agree that it is
wrong
> >to knowingly take artifacts off a protected wreck.  That is almost as bad
as
> >spearing lobsters or scrubbing egg laden females.  I will cc this to
those
> >who did dive with you and see if they wish to comment.
> >
> >But this thread is about drifting vs. anchor diving.  The real issue is
that
> >you can anchor dive with no fundamental skills so long as you can hang on
> >for dear life.  The problems begin when you get blown off the deco line
and
> >can't do your deco because you have no fundamental skills.
> >
> >Divers can cover their inadequacies for many years hanging on the deco
line
> >for dear life.  When they get blown off and do not have the requisite
skills
> >to complete their dive they get into trouble and wind up bent or even
worse.
> >In summary, like most other things in life, the path to the sky is built
on
> >the fundamental building blocks of hard work and training, not on hot air
> >balloons.
> >
> >Regards.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
> >To: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>; "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>;
"Jim
> >Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> >
> >
> > > At 10:25 PM 7/29/02 -0700, Joe wrote:
> > > >We routinely put 5 to 10 divers on deep wrecks in ripping currents
and
> > > >everyone hits the wreck and there are no CF's.  It isn't difficult to
do
> >so.
> > > >All it takes is basic, fundamental skills.  Pun intended.
> > >
> > > I was wondering, do any of you guys get separated in the current doing
> > > drifting deco or leave anyone alone in the water to deco by
themselves. I
> > > was on a deep dive once and got left in the water by myself while the
rest
> > > went up to the boat to look at the artifacts they had recovered
> > > off the wreck. Being left in the water is really bad, but when I found
out
> > > the wreck was protected and told to keep my mouth shut, I even got a
worse
> > > feeling about diving with those guys.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Regards to all.
> > > >
> > > >Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "wendell grogan" <docgrog@ya*.de*>
> > > >To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Christian Gerzner"
> > > ><christiang@in*.co*.au*>
> > > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:43 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just before this latest tiff started, I had been
> > > > > getting a lot of very interesting information (off
> > > > > list) on how things are done in the British Isles.
> > > > > They do this (drift deco after dive bombing the wreck)
> > > > > as a matter of routine, but there is quite a bit to
> > > > > consider and a number of new skills to be practiced
> > > > > for this to come out right.
> > > > > I was also thinking about the advantages last weekend
> > > > > while doing my 20 foot stop along with what seemed
> > > > > like a cast of thousands, the boat bucking in rollers
> > > > > perpendicular to the slight current and helping out my
> > > > > buddy with a leaking back up reg hose...
> > > > > Basic Anglo-Saxon words regarding various bodily
> > > > > functions kept going through my mind, but the
> > > > > conclusion seems to be that we should start doing this
> > > > > here in the North Atlantic US.
> > > > > The problems are inertia and a lack of
> > > > > experience/training that would make it a matter of
> > > > > routine for most if not all dives.  Also, since the
> > > > > thing that drives the industry is people who are
> > > > > either taking or just finishing AOW going on shallow
> > > > > wreck dives, finding a boat operator who wants to run
> > > > > the training dives on what would normally be their
> > > > > milk run wrecks, is going to be tough.
> > > > > Wendell
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> wrote:
> > > > > > This leads back to the basic question: What do you
> > > > > > require to be on your
> > > > > > diveboat before you go out on it? George knows this
> > > > > > situation with
> > > > > > chaseboats and his solution, which costs the dive
> > > > > > operations nothing but
> > > > > > some fuel and inconvinence, is to not anchor to a
> > > > > > wreck during a dive.
> > > > > > Problem solved. No chaseboat needed, no deployment
> > > > > > issues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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