>>>On the ML the zodiac is on the upper deck with a small boom
>>>winch to deploy/sto the unit. It is rarely used, and you now what >>>that
means as far at the motor in concerned.

That's as good as not having one.  You vote with your dollars.  If they
won't deploy a chase boat and they won't live boat it you stay home.

>>>When JT does a serious dive he makes sure the chase boat is >>>gassed up
and running before we leave the dock. Then at the site it >>>is deployed
into the water.

Every dive is a serious dive.

>>>But if you take it upon yourself to demand that the chase is up and
>>> running and deployed or you won't go out on the dive then either it
>>>will be or you won't dive. It's your ass and your decision.

There is no decision.  If the dive operator won't do what you want you find
one that will.  Use your collective buying power and don't buy into the crap
that it is too difficult to do it your way.  This stuff is real easy if you
bother to dot the "I"'s and cross the "T"'s.

>>>For those who don't know it's a real bitch to launch the zodiac on
> >> the ML, and even then it is doubtful the motor will start).

That is pathetic.  If you had a real in water emergency on that boat by the
time you could deal with it the victim would most likely be dead.

Jim, over the years you have been outspoken on these lists.  You have
ruthlessly slammed people for doing stupid things in the hopes that it will
wake them up and yet you routinely patronize a boat that doesn't maintain
the equipment necessary to conduct the dives safely.  Do they have life
jackets?  I am amazed that anyone would do this.

 Well I am doing my good deed for the day.   WAKE UP!!!  This whole scenario
you describe is an accident waiting to happen.  It seems as though you guys
are going out of your way to make it dangerous and difficult.

Regards.

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: "Christian Gerzner" <christiang@in*.co*.au*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: VBTech vs. Nova Tech


> I suppose that if you are doing a dive where a chase boat is probably
> not going to be needed, then you the diveboat won't deploy the
> chaseboat. On the ML the zodiac is on the upper deck with a small boom
> winch to deploy/sto the unit. It is rarely used, and you now what that
> means as far at the motor in concerned. When JT does a serious dive he
> makes sure the chase boat is gassed up and running before we leave the
> dock. Then at the site it is deployed into the water.
>
> If your argument is that the chase boat should be deployed on each and
> every dive, I agree it would be a better thing. The problem is
> convincing the diver operator to do that on dives you don' t go out on.
> But if you take it upon yourself to demand that the chase is up and
> running and deployed or you won't go out on the dive then either it will
> be or you won't dive. It's your ass and your decision.
>
>     Jim
>
> On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 06:21 AM, Christian Gerzner wrote:
>
> > Jim Cobb wrote:
> >>
> >> It truly pains me to see this sort of infighting going on between
> >> friends.
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> >> If you felt that there was a chance things were going to go south on a,
> >> for chirsts sake, 70' vis Eureka weenie dive, then you should have had
> >> the goddamn zodiac in the water, gassed up and running before anybody
> >> even jumps in the water.
> >
> > There are, we all know that who have read this and associated threads,
> > a lot of things that could, should, might have been done however the
> > above statement  bears comment.
> >
> >> (For those who don't know it's a real bitch to launch the zodiac on
> >> the ML,
> >>  and even then it is doubtful the motor will start).
> >
> > Really? REALLY?
> >
> > Jim, I don't know what laws apply in your neck of the woods but that,
> > to me, is plain stupid, as in criminally stupid. It's about as useful
> > as not having the bloody thing along at all and it smacks of blatant
> > incompetence on the part of the crew/management, EVEN IF it is NOT an
> > item required by law.
> >
> > 1) You have a safety boat and it works, at best, sometimes?
> >
> > 2) It's difficult to launch?
> >
> > Bluddy hell!!! Are the first time passenger/divers boarding (in this
> > example) the ML going to ask questions along these lines? Is this,
> > should this be, part of "their ass" strategy? Where does it all stop?
> > Should they now inspect the engine room? Ask the Captain for his papers?
> >
> > Or are they entitled to assume that the boat, as well as the crew, is
> > competent? I know, I know, competence is in the eyes of the beholder
> > and I don't even know whether commercial dive boats in your neck of
> > the woods need to be licensed (here in Oz, they certainly do although
> > whether that, in itself, is necessarily a good thing is yet another
> > question).
> >
> > This boat, to my eyes, appears incompetent, according to what you have
> > said above.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Christian
>
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