That's the trouble jt, you and your boys do too much
drooling.  George's "Star Wars bar scene comes to
mind.  A little less inbreeding would take care of
that problem.

Yes a real wreck diver can "see all".  Tell me about
your "real wreck dive" to 490 fsw to discover sand! Or
how about your planned 420 fsw dive for 20 or was it
30 minutes BT that Big Mike cancelled on you.  What's
that give you 4, 5, 6? hr deco obligation in the
ocean.

Dave Dalton

    
--- Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
> This is funny, now you say it is OK to put a float
> on a line and leave 
> divers in the water when a fool drifts away, but
> when you need to airlift a 
> diver to help save his life like the Seeker did it
> is wrong.
> George, you are not getting the full story on the
> trip, I was at the dock 
> when they came in and I had a whole boat load of
> divers just drooling to 
> give me the true details after they left, read the
> trip report again, it is 
> very clear the things he is covering up, a real
> wreck diver can pick them 
> out..........
> 
> 
> 
>   At 10:09 PM 7/23/02 -0700, dmdalton wrote:
> >Once again you are right on target, George.  Too
> bad
> >more haven't listened to your advice, including us.
> >
> >The week before 5 of the Nova Tech crowd chartered
> our
> >own boat, a 6 pack and it was "real hard".  I
> called a
> >friend of mine in the dive business and told him
> that
> >we wanted a boat run by a non-diver.  He gave me a
> >number.  I called the fellow and told him we had 5
> >divers to go out.  He started out telling me he
> could
> >get a dive instructor to "take care of us".  I told
> >him we didn't need a dive instructor. I told him
> where
> >we wanted to go, the kind of dive profiles we would
> be
> >running and equipment we would be bringing and we
> had
> >ourselves a self directed charter.
> >
> >The only thing he told us (before we could tell
> him!)
> >was that if anyone got blown off the wreck, he
> would
> >"tie this here float" to the anchor line and go get
> >the diver.
> >
> >Obviously it is a lot easier to control your
> situation
> >when you pull you own strings.  It isn't that hard
> to
> >find a boat to do it your way, and I don't know why
> >more folks don't do it.
> >
> >BTW, the boat owner never asked to see our C-cards
> so
> >the GUE acceptance thing (a load of crap to be
> sure)
> >wouldn't have mattered anyway.
> >
> >Thanks as always, George, for your sage advice.
> >
> >Best to you and Pina.
> >
> >Keep hammering.
> >
> >Dave Dalton
> >
> >--- George Irvine <girvine@be*.ne*> wrote:
> > > I keep telling you guys, leave the boat offset
> from
> > > the upline and
> > > detachable. Do not hang anything from the boat.
> I
> > > told you that when I was
> > > up there diving, and I told you that when I was
> up
> > > there giving a seminar.
> > > Stop doing that before you kill somebody or lose
> > > somebody. Make things easy,
> > > do it right.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dmdalton [mailto:dmdalton2000@ya*.co*]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:37 PM
> > > To: TECHDIVER; DC-SCUBA; Atlantic Divers List
> > > Subject: Nova Tech Dive Report 7/21/02 & Lessons
> > > Learned
> > >
> > >
> > > Trip report:
> > >
> > > Sunday, July 21, 2002 found 4 Nova Tech divers
> > > diving
> > > out of Virginia Beach, VA on the Miss Lindsey
> with
> > > others with whom they regularly dive of the VB
> Tech
> > > group.  Nova Tech group divers consisted of Todd
> > > Clagett and Allyson Clagett diving as a buddy
> team 1
> > > and David Dalton, Sr. & David Dalton, Jr. diving
> as
> > > buddy team 2.  Team 1 is generally more
> interested
> > > in
> > > artifact recovery and Team 2 leans more toward
> > > sightseeing.
> > >
> > > We arrived at the site of the Eureka (118 fsw)
> at
> > > approximately 10:30, geared up and were in the
> water
> > > at 11:30.  Visibility was a spectacular 70 ft
> and
> > > water temps on the bottom were a pleasant 61
> > > degrees,
> > > with surface temp being much warmer.  There was
> a
> > > strong current and it was very nice to be using
> > > scooters to deal with it.  More on that later!
> > >
> > > Team 1 went right to digging in a hole that
> wasn't
> > > more than 15 feet from where the wreck was tied
> in.
> > > They left the numerous bottles they unearthed
> for
> > > the
> > > second dive bringing up just one.  Team 2 toured
> the
> > > wreck with D1 (Sr) pulling D2 (Jr) with his
> Gavin
> > > scooter.  D2 carried a camera and shot two rolls
> > > which
> > > are in the process of being developed as I
> write.
> > > The
> > > clarity of the water allowed one to get a very
> good
> > > understanding of the layout of the wreck. 
> Viewing
> > > the
> > > two large anchors on the port side of the bow,
> at
> > > the
> > > same time was incredible.  Both Teams completed
> > > their
> > > planned 40  minute bottom times and required
> deco
> > > and
> > > got back on board.
> > >
> > > Todd advised that he had just broken into a new
> > > crate
> > > of bottles and showed one he had stuffed in his
> > > pocket, a square bottle of Dr. Prichard's
> Castoria
> > > with the good doctor's name and the product name
> > > cast
> > > into the bottle. Although these bottles were
> from
> > > the
> > > 1890's when this ship sunk, D1 is old enough
> (54) to
> > > remember taking this patent medicine as a child.
>  It
> > > was still sold in a square bottle and appeared
> that
> > > the only change was from a cork to a screw top.
> > >
> > > Todd's discovery generated considerable
> excitement
> > > between both teams and both decided to
> concentrate
> > > on
> > > excavating that hole on the second dive.
> > >
> > > Both teams brought bags down to carry back
> bottles
> > > on
> > > the second dive.  Todd, being the master digger
> with
> > > a
> > > scooter, went to work while the other 3 stuffed
> the
> > > bags as he handed out bottles.
> > >
> > > About 20 minutes into the dive Allyson developed
> a
> > > problem with one of her regs and after the
> situation
> > > was handled both teams decided to end the dive.
> > > Team
> > > 1 started their ascent and deco and Team 2
> hooked up
> > > the two bags of bottles and started their
> ascent.
> > > Rather than hang on the line like a flag in the
> > > breeze
> > > we were doing "drift and run deco". Drift 50 or
> 60
> > > feet from the anchor line and then run back to
> it
> > > with
> > > the scooter, then drift again and repeat,
> obviously
> > > only a technique one would employ in good viz.
> > > Between 40 & 50 feet the current picked up quite
> a
> > > bit
> > > and we (Team 2) inadvertently drifted out of
> sight
> > > of
> > > the anchor line.  We ran some circular patterns
> on
> > > the
> > > scooter but to no avail.  We settled in, shot a
> bag,
> > > completed our deco drift style, and upon
> completion
> > > surfaced to find the boat several hundred yards
> > > away.
> > > We dropped down to 15 feet and scootered toward
> the
> > > boat for about 2 minutes.  We surfaced again and
> saw
> > > that we were making progress so we dropped down
> and
> > > tried it again.  This time I could hear the
> motor on
> > > the scooter slowing and realized we were out of
> > > juice.
> > >
> > > We returned to the surface, and found we were
> even
> > > farther away than before.  We fully inflated the
> > > lift
> > > bag, hooked up the dive-alerts an honked them
> and
> > > flashed the HID light in the direction of the
> boat.
> > >
> > > Todd later advised that he saw us as soon as we
> > > surfaced but we were not aware of this.
> Consequently
> > > we continued to signal and honk.  Interestingly
> no
> > > one
> > > heard the dive alert (other than us!) and the
> HID
> > > light (a 10 Watt EE Pro 6) was more visible than
> the
> > > yellow lift bag. (Note to self: Never dive in
> the
> > > ocean without the HID!)
> > >
> > > As we were the last divers in the water the boat
> > > didn't have to wait TOOOOOOOOO long before
> coming to
> > > get us.  The mate went in to pull the hook, they
> > > pulled up the hangbars and gear lines and got
> > > underway.  All of this took about 30 minutes
> which
> > > doesn't seem like too long, but when you don't
> know
> > > if
> > > anyone knows where you are and you re drifting
> > > farther
> > > and farther from the boat, I can assure you it
> seems
> > > like much longer!
> > >
> > > Lessons learned:
> > >
> > > 1) Switch batteries on the scooter between
> dives.
> > > If
> > > we had fresh batteries in the scooter we could
> have
> > > made it back to the boat even following our
> drift
> > > deco.
> > >
> > > 2) Make sure you have appropriate signaling
> devices.
> > > Lift bag, safety sausage, HID light, dive-alert.
>  On
> > > the last, while the dive-alert has it's place,
> which
> > > is probably in situations where fog blows in and
> you
> > > are relatively close to the boat, its not much
> good
> > > at
> > > longer distances as I have now learned.
> > >
> > > Along this same line it would be comforting for
> the
> > > team in the water if the boat had someway of
> > > signaling
> > > back that they knew where you were and would
> come
> > > get
> > > you shortly (Horn, flare, guy in a lime green
> > > drysuit
> > > waving his arms on the top of the boat)!
> > >
> > > 3) This situation pointed out the need for chase
> > > boats
> > > when diving in strong currents, or for the boat
> to
> > > be
> > > able to put a float on the anchor line, so they
> can
> > > leave to pick up/attend to the divers on a lift
> bag.
> > > While the Miss Lindsey has a chase boat it was
> not
> > > used in this case.  In this case we were able to
> > > complete our deco, surface and wait to be picked
> up.
> > > If a diver was injured or did not have
> appropriate
> > > gas
> > > to complete his deco (like hanging it off the
> boat
> > > instead of carrying it with you) the outcome
> might
> > > not
> > > have been as favorable.
> > >
> > > 4)  Stay calm.  While we were concerned as to
> > > whether
> > > or not anyone knew where we were, we remained
> calm
> > > which helped to contribute to the favorable
> outcome
> > > of
> > > this dive.  There was no reason to panic, the
> water
> > > was warm, we were in trilam drysuits with
> thinsulate
> > > undergarments, we had a 10 watt hid that would
> burn
> > > for 5 + hours which would be especially good for
> > > signaling in the dusk or at night and we had 4
> back
> > > up
> > > lights between us.  We had just eaten several
> Miss
> > > Lindsey "Deco Dogs" before the second dive so
> our
> > > nutritional requirements were taken care of
> (those
> > > things will stay with you forever!).  We were
> well
> > > hydrated and I had a P-valve in my drysuit - too
> bad
> > > my son did not (You've never seen anyone get out
> of
> > > a
> > > drysuit and run for the head so fast)!!!!
> > >
> > > 5) If you are doing a "drift and run" deco, make
> > > sure
> > > you don't lose sight of the anchor line.
> > >
> > > All in all, it was an incredible day of diving,
> > > great
> > > weather, great viz, great bottles (yes we still
> had
> > > both bags when we got back on the boat), and a
> very
> > > worthwhile learning experience.  What more could
> you
> > > ask for?
> > >
> > > Dave Dalton
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Dave Dalton
> > >
> > > "You just can't show up for "Game Day" and
> expect to
> > > win.
> > >   You've got to go to practice if you want to be
> > > ready!"
> > >
> > >
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~toddclagett/NovaTech/
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >"You just can't show up for "Game Day" and expect
> to win.
> >   You've got to go to practice if you want to be
> ready!"
> >
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> 



=====
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