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Bruce,
 
The idea of a workshop on deep stops is quite interesting. There certainly
does seem to be anecdotal evidence suggesting that deep stops might improve
diving safety. This is particularly true for He/O2 diving but also possibly
true for recreational diving. The physiological rationale exists to support
a number of mechanisms to this effect. We have submitted a proposal for a
human study of one potential mechanism.
 
Decompression modeling would play a major role in a deep-stop workshop. I
would imagine that one or more sessions would be devoted exclusively to
modeling. That's good as there are various models that could use public
airing.
 
Both modeling and basic decompression mechanisms are important, but progress
will be frustratingly slow without emphasis on the epidemiology of open
water diving. As you know, this is a reason for DAN's Project Dive
Exploration (PDE). We have collected some 45,000 computer-recorded dive
profiles and medical outcomes from 5,000 divers of who about 26 were
recompressed. Unfortunately, tech dives are not well represented in PDE
data. I hope you might encourage tech divers to begin data collection. In
fact, the best encouragement you could give would be to collect data
yourself. While PDE may not be the only database of dive profiles and dive
outcomes in the world, we have made an effort to standardize it and make it
accessible. This is necessary when you need hundreds of thousands of dives
for useful answers. The collection process has become simpler, and both
Cochran and Dive Rite computers can now collect PDE data using their own
dive log software. Please contact Petar for more information on these and
other options. 
 
I guess I've also got to say that some folks at DAN and elsewhere are a bit
gun-shy from recent and past unpleasantness on the net. I have heard concern
that this could take the fun out of a workshop and limit its success. I
would guess that raising financial support wouldn't be helped, either. I'm
not sure what can be done, but it makes the job of the workshop organizers
somewhat more difficult.
 
I think planning for a deep stop workshop should go forward. First, you
should identify an organizer or not more than a very small group of
organizers. They could put together a tentative program and circulate it to
potential speakers (and others) for comment. Major topics might include
mechanisms, modeling, and empirical data. It would be useful to have
specific workshop objectives in mind and to structure the program so the
objectives might be met. The workshop cost will be significantly affected by
where and when it is held. Ideally, it would be fairly central to speakers
and interested attendees, but this might not be possible given the
international nature of the subject. You might consider doing it in
association with a national or international meeting, such as UHMS or EUBS,
if you could convince one of these groups that there is sufficient material
and adequate organization to make it worthwhile. That would reduce travel
costs. Typical workshop costs are $20-30,000, but it might be done for less
with some compromises. Charging attendees $100-200 per head would help to
offset costs. I guess fund raising will be the greatest challenge, but I
think it's worth the effort. Go for it.
 
Dick
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce R. Wienke [mailto:brw@la*.go*]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:14 PM
To: toverland@oi*.oc*.co*; tneuman@uc*.ed*; ryn@dc*.dn*.ca*; Paul
J. Sheffield Ph. D. (E-mail); Bennett, Peter; Orr, Dan; v.flook@ab*.ac*.uk*;
beyerstein@ao*.co*; rvann@da*.du*.ed*; jlivingstone@na*.or*;
jbram@na*.or*; p.oliver@na*.or*; andihq@ao*.co*; oxygenengr@ao*.co*;
PSAuerbach@ao*.co*; rwhamilton@co*.co*; evincotter@cs*.co*;
cborne@ea*.ne*; walt.jaap@fw*.st*.fl*.us*; bturbo@ga*.ne*;
dick@hy*.co*; mwells@in*.ne*; pdenoble@da*.du*.ed*;
alexakos@gu*.co*; trey@ne*.co*; iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*;
moon0002@mc*.du*.ed*; emmerman@nb*.co*; dave.dinsmore@no*.go*;
boliver@sc*.co*; brianc@td*.co*; gegstrom@uc*.ed*;
kvanhoesen@uc*.ed*; brylske@ao*.co*
Cc: deco@de*.or*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: How About A Dan-Tech Deep Stops Workshop/Mtg
 
Peter And Richard, 
 
How about a DAN-Tech Mtg on deep stops -- A to Z? Everybody 
pays their OWN way. This might also be a dynamite way to get more 
tech diving profiles into your Project Diving Exploration data banks 
 
to broaden the recreational sample. All would benefit -- probably DAN the 
most, with all due respect. 
 
I can do (volunteer) the tech side and interface, and all the other 
coordination with DAN. And I am sure many others would step up too. 
 
And yes, we already have a tech side agenda. 
 
What do you say? 
Bruce Wienke 
Program Manager Computational Physics 
Counterterror And Countermeasures Dive Team Ldr 
 
PS -- UHMS Guys, maybe this is BETTER UHMS item? 
 



EARLIER MESSAGE TO PETER BENNETT WITH LIST EMAILS APPENDED 
 
Gentlemen, 
 
We don't agree with you, Peter Read below. 
 
Best regards as always, 
 
BW 
 
DEEP STOPS -- THE REAL STORY IN ADM 
 
Lists and Others, 
 
Check out the "Deep Stops" article in the next issue of Advanced Diver 
Magazine (ADM) for the real skinny on deeps stops and related deco 
technology. 
 
It was the tech diving community who pioneered, tested, and validated 
deep stops and related dual phase deco models (like RGBM, VPM, TBDM). 
Their 1000s of real dives on mixed gases at real depths are the 
living laboratory here. Not Haldane, nor Hill. And certainly not DAN. 
And our testing program was not recreational diving for goats in 
shallow water -- it was our collective asses, deep and long 
 
With fondest respect for DAN, I wish DAN would spend more time 
interacting with the tech community. All would benefit. The DAN 
Project Dive Exploration is a great data acquisition project that 
needs input from the real diving world. 
Same pretty much said for slow ascent rates. 
 
Bruce Wienke 
Program Manager Computational Physics 
Counterterror And Countermeasures Dive Team Leader 
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potential mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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frustratingly
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have collected
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5,000
divers of who about 26 were recompressed. Unfortunately, tech dives are =
not
well represented in PDE data. I hope you might encourage tech divers to =
begin data
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collect
data yourself. While PDE may not be the only database of dive profiles =
and dive
outcomes in the world, we have made an effort to standardize it and =
make it
accessible. This is necessary when you need hundreds of thousands of =
dives for useful
answers. The collection process has become simpler, and both Cochran =
and Dive
Rite computers can now collect PDE data using their own dive log =
software. Please
contact Petar for more information on these and other options. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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raising
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what can be done, but
it makes the job of the workshop organizers somewhat more =
difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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comment. Major topics
might include mechanisms, modeling, and empirical data. It would be =
useful to
have specific workshop objectives in mind and to structure the program =
so the objectives
might be met. The workshop cost will be significantly affected by where =
and
when it is held. Ideally, it would be fairly central to speakers and =
interested
attendees, but this might not be possible given the international =
nature of the
subject. You might consider doing it in association with a national or
international meeting, such as UHMS or EUBS, if you could convince one =
of these
groups that there is sufficient material and adequate organization to =
make it
worthwhile. That would reduce travel costs. Typical workshop costs are
$20-30,000, but it might be done for less with some compromises. =
Charging
attendees $100-200 per head would help to offset costs. I guess fund =
raising will
be the greatest challenge, but I think it’s worth the effort. Go =
for it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Bruce R. Wienke
[mailto:brw@la*.go*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday,
July =
24, 2002
5:14 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
toverland@oi*.oc*.co*;
tneuman@uc*.ed*; ryn@dc*.dn*.ca*; Paul J. Sheffield Ph. D. (E-mail); =
Bennett,
Peter; Orr, Dan; v.flook@ab*.ac*.uk*; beyerstein@ao*.co*; =
rvann@da*.du*.ed*;
jlivingstone@na*.or*; jbram@na*.or*; p.oliver@na*.or*; =
andihq@ao*.co*;
oxygenengr@ao*.co*; PSAuerbach@ao*.co*; rwhamilton@co*.co*;
evincotter@cs*.co*; cborne@ea*.ne*; walt.jaap@fw*.st*.fl*.us*;
bturbo@ga*.ne*; dick@hy*.co*; mwells@in*.ne*;
pdenoble@da*.du*.ed*; alexakos@gu*.co*; trey@ne*.co*;
iantdhq@ix*.ne*.co*; moon0002@mc*.du*.ed*; emmerman@nb*.co*;
dave.dinsmore@no*.go*; boliver@sc*.co*; brianc@td*.co*;
gegstrom@uc*.ed*; kvanhoesen@uc*.ed*; brylske@ao*.co*<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
deco@de*.or*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> How About A
=
Dan-Tech Deep
Stops Workshop/Mtg</span></font></p>

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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Peter And Richard, =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
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ont>=
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>How about a DAN-Tech Mtg on deep =
stops --
A to Z? Everybody </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>pays their OWN way. This might =
also be a
dynamite way to get more </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>tech diving profiles into your =
Project
Diving Exploration data banks </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

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color=3Dblack><span =
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ont>=
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>to broaden the recreational =
sample. All
would benefit -- probably DAN the </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>most, with all due respect. =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
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ont>=
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I can do (volunteer) the tech =
side and
interface, and all the other </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>coordination with DAN. And I am =
sure many
others would step up too. </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
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ont>=
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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And yes, we already have a tech =
side
agenda. </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>What do you say? =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bruce Wienke </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Program Manager Computational =
Physics </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Counterterror And =
Countermeasures Dive
Team Ldr </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>PS -- UHMS Guys, maybe this is =
BETTER UHMS
item? </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br =
style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br =
style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![endif]></span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>EARLIER MESSAGE TO PETER BENNETT =
WITH LIST
EMAILS APPENDED </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gentlemen, </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>We don't agree with you, Peter =
Read below.
</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Best regards as always, =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>BW </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>DEEP STOPS -- THE REAL STORY IN =
ADM </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Lists and Others, =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Check out the "Deep =
Stops"
article in the next issue of Advanced Diver </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Magazine (ADM) for the real =
skinny on
deeps stops and related deco </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>technology. </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It was the tech diving community =
who
pioneered, tested, and validated </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>deep stops and related dual =
phase deco
models (like RGBM, VPM, TBDM). </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Their 1000s of real dives on =
mixed gases
at real depths are the </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>living laboratory here. Not =
Haldane, nor
Hill. And certainly not DAN. </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>And our testing program was not
recreational diving for goats in </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>shallow water -- it was our =
collective
asses, deep and long </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>With fondest respect for DAN, I =
wish DAN
would spend more time </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>interacting with the tech =
community. All
would benefit. The DAN </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Project Dive Exploration is a =
great data
acquisition project that </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>needs input from the real diving =
world. </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Same pretty much said for slow =
ascent
rates. </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bruce Wienke </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Program Manager Computational =
Physics </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Counterterror And =
Countermeasures Dive
Team Leader </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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