Christina, I realize this is all a brave new world to you, but if you
really want to believe that I don't know what I am doing, I suggest that
you assemble your dream team of CCR divers and come show me how it is
done...but wait, they already tried that and failed. Figure out why.

I really do not care what you think you do or do not know: no amount of
your yapping will change the fact that the scorecard of NE wreckdiving and
its operators and participants is pathetic, and that is the topic of
discussion, started by your friend Dumb Danny on the Seeker.

You and yours bring nothing to the table but more problems. However, you
and your pals are not my concern when you mind your own business, but your
web site is hilarious. If I did not know you, I would swear you put that
crap on there to give us all a big laugh.

Quit worrying about me and stick to the subject at hand: why is it that
your friend Danny has to lie about the best training agency out there, and
why is that something that you and your little buddies feel the need to
defend?

Save your silliness for the RB list. You should be a big hero over there,
after all , you showed them all an alternative to standing up as a bailout,
and in my experience, which greatly surpasses yours, that is just about as
funny as it sounds.


-----Original Message-----
From: christi5@ix*.ne*.co* [mailto:christi5@ix*.ne*.co*]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:39 AM
To: girvine@be*.ne*
Cc: christi5@ix*.ne*.co*; Capt JT; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
kevin@el*.co*; Quest@Gu*. Com
Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.


George,
Your e-mail below is so full of misinformation and falsehoods that I don't
even know where to start.  You have no idea what I do understand and do know
or don't understand and don't know about rebreathers.  I've never discussed
them with you even once.  And you certainly have no clue about the Mk-15,
based upon your statements below about the particulars of that unit vs. the
one you dive.

It's not even worth my time responding to your junk - it's a waste of
electrons to do so.

Christina

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:06:05 -0400 George Irvine <girvine@be*.ne*>
wrote:

Christina, I am not interested in Billy's CCR treasure diving, or whatever
it was. He told me he needed them for the bottom time and gas logistics, so
was willing to take the risks, which he understood and you do not, and to
get JT off his back, he told me that he should not have let that guy who did
get whacked dive at all, but the guy begged him, I guess about like you
begged JT so you could put him at the same risk.

I know you and your bounce diving wannabe buddies sorely wish to believe
that the person who holds the worlds record for distance in a cave ( with a
rebreather, hello ) does not know anything about rebreathers. The fact is, I
do what I do because I know so much about them, and you do what you do
because you do not. Not liking me or understanding the diving we do is no
excuse for making an ass of yourself with an outward display of ignorance -
stick to the pictures and keep you mouth shut about diving.

For my RB, I want a reasonable , detectable failure mode with no gauges or
meters or computers( not a plethora of silent ones ), a scrubber that will
last for the dives I do ( yours will not), the ability to use the proper gas
and deco procedures ( yours will not without carrying a ton of bottles and
breathing them open circuit - I know you and your pals don't think I know
deco, but think again and skip the fairy tales and guesswork), and of course
I want a proper bailout attached with the shareable solution and I want my
buddies to have the same thing and be prepared to use it. You have no idea
what a dream world you are living in. Ask some of the many dead CCR divers
when you see them.

I know you are real proud of your little bounces and I know that you believe
depth is everything, and I know that a 400 foot dive is a real challenge for
you, but your whole scheme that you described to me is like pretending that
wearing a condom in a bath house will keep you from getting AIDS - good
luck - I personally will not get on a boat with that kind of bullshit.
Luckily for me, I don't have to.


-----Original Message-----
From: Christina Young [mailto:christi5@ix*.ne*.co*]
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:49 PM
To: girvine@be*.ne*; Capt JT
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com
Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.


Interesting..... Billy Deans converted his deep wreck diving team to CCRs
("electronic rebreathers" as you like to call them).  The same unit as the
one I dive, I believe.  What kind of bailout configuration did he use,
George???  Or is your response to this one going to be similar to your last
one because you haven't the foggiest clue?

Christina

-----Original Message-----
From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*]
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:50 PM
To: Capt JT; christi5@ix*.ne*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com
Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.


Guess what , JT, you are as full of shit and petty resentment as usual.
Deans was on a trip many years ago where they were diving air and one of the
other air solo divers got tangled up in his stroke gear in the wiring of the
elevator shaft ( or some such nonsense) and died. Deans stopped diving air.

This is not the issue, and neither is your petty resentment of me.

The fact is Deans did things correctly on the trips he ran, and you do not.

For a guy who failed fundamentals and has been doing this about a fifth of
the amount of time I have, and who has a piss poor track record that will in
no way compares to mine, you sure have all the answers and a big yapping
mouth. Why don't you try sticking to the facts and save you bull for the
idiots up there who will believe it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:35 AM
To: girvine@be*.ne*; christi5@ix*.ne*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com; captjt@mi*.ne*; Quest@Gu*. Com
Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.


At 06:29 AM 7/21/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote: Billy Deans had a
>perfect track record of not killing anyone. He had a perfect track record
>of saving every moron who screwed up. He ran his show properly. Maybe all
>of you should ring Billy up and ask him how he did it.

I hear he is a nice guy and did his best, but got out of the business for
several reasons. We do know from Gary Gentiles books and the latest book
Deep Decent, Billy was part of one of the Doria deaths. No disrespect to
him, just a mere fact of history. Also there is this rumor that keeps
popping up on a death on a RB during a trip lead by him which a lawsuit
followed. Don't know how much is true, but I'm sure you know the clean and
dirty version and we are about to hear the clean........why don't you stop
pulling this guy out of your pocket like a gun. He is history and got out
of the business for known reasons. Even I can accurately  predict no
accidents if I'm not running trips or in the business.

I not a weather man either, but if I say it's going to rain, sooner or
later I'm going to be right.......should I apply for a job on the news
weather team ;-)
I don't work for the CIA or FBI, but if I say we are going to be hit by
terrorist, do you think they will give me a job for knowing something they
don't.

Now if I could say exactly WHEN, WHERE, and HOW now that would be doing
something.

Here let me help you with your prediction....... Someone will die diving
this year if they are not diving DIR/ GUE trained or GI in charge...... if
they are DIR/GUE trained then they weren't following DIR/GUE or they were
diving with strokes. If they are part of the WKPP team, then of course it
was not during a WKPP dive and is covered above. If you don't believe me my
lawyer will be sending you an official letter or email explaining why I'm
right.

Your post are like the game show "To Tell the Truth", only 1 in 3 are
correct........ and that ONE is pushing it.



>I was even on the
>boat when the previous Seeker captain ( the one before Dr. Dumbass) was
>trying to dive  300 odd foot deep wreck. Deans laid down the law to this
>guy before allowing him on the boat, and then we both had a huge laugh when
>the guys still had so much crap on him that Deans and I both had to lift
>him out of his seat and walk him to the water. the captain and I set the
>hook, and then we got out and the safety divers took over while this guy
>did his dive with another NE wreck genius. really, call Billy and find out
>how it is done , even with strokes on the boat.
>
>I can see you guys refusing to listen to me and having to find out the hard
>way, but I can not see how you can continue to do the same things over and
>over after all your so called experience while expecting difference
>results. I figured this one out in my first ten attempts at these dives, so
>did not have to suffer any of the consequences on the more than one
>thousand of them I have done since.
>
>Of  course, I clearly agree with you on all of the other things you
>mention, like Christina thinking she is going to get out of a bad situation
>on her CCR with a single 80. I hope she doe s not find out that hard way on
>that one, since clearly in RB land, there are no amount of deaths that seem
>to get the message across, so hers would not do anything either other than
>invoke the usual hand wringing response from the CCR clowns about how they
>can't understand how such a thing could happen.
>
>I can give you all a clue as to what is wrong with Danny's operation.
>First, get a copy of Star Wars Episode IV ( the first one put out), then go
>to Christina Young's web page, and get back to me if there are still any
>questions..
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: christi5@ix*.ne*.co* [mailto:christi5@ix*.ne*.co*]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:45 PM
>To: Capt JT
>Cc: christi5@ix*.ne*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com;
>captjt@mi*.ne*
>Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
>
>
>Hi Capt,
>I'm not sure how you can say that medical issues weren't issues at hand
that
>had a major contributing factor in the deaths.  As recently as the one last
>week shows, it was a heart attack on the surface that happened.  And three
>of
>the five Doria deaths.  Four of those last six deaths would have not taken
>place if the deceased had been in better medical shape.
>
>My questions still remain unanswered.  As the boat captain, what specific
>things should he do or require of the divers on these trips?  What criteria
>should disqualify a diver or group from being accepted on these types of
>dives, period?
>
>Cheers, Christina
>www.christinayoung.com
>
>On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:23:48 -0400 Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*> wrote:
>
>
> >  What level of
> >screening should / can the captain be responsible for???  What level
should
> >the groups chartering be responsible for?  Already the Seeker requires
>medical
> >
> >information, more than the Miss Lindsey ever asked me for.  Can they be
> >responsible if people lie about that, or should they have an EKG machine
>and
>a
> >
> >nurse taking your collesterol reading at the boat?
>
>These are not the issues at hand and bare little in the deaths of the
>divers.
>
>
> >  You yourself have said in the past that they run a good
> >operation (requires you to fill out a dive plan, have a boat that is
>superbly
>
> >outfitted for those kinds of trips, etc etc etc).
>
>Yes, I said this.
>
> >  Now you are saying that his
> >
> >operations needs to be updated, as well as his clientele.  Can you
>elaborate
> >on this?  What specific items need updating and how, and how should he go
> >about "updating his clientele"?
>
>This is a hard thing to do, I did it when I took on the deepest trips the
>Miss Lindsey runs. In the past they had many close incidents. Even a death
>or 2.
>As long as you let divers do as they please, things will happen, as long as
>you let instructors, Trimix cards, and friends be your shield things will
>happen.
>
>When I began telling the truth of what divers did on our trips, they
>stopped coming if they were unwilling to change. You cannot dive to the
>deeper depths thinking you can leave your buddy, cut corners, have total
>faith in your RB without a back up plan, only care if the diver is not back
>on time ect........ ect.........
>
>Even now, when the boat is chartered by some, they ask I not be one of the
>Captains.........so they can do as they please, no one to tell what really
>happens.
>
>Everything that needs changing with the Seeker is within Danny himself, the
>way divers look at the dive will change because of him and no one else. As
>long as he does nothing on his present course divers will die, he must step
>up and say this is what you must do.........Let him get on a list or post
>photos on a site about the 3 going up the wrong line after they were told
>not to, and not tieing off, but drifting away, bash their ass, see if it
>happens again, do nothing and it will.............
>
>
> >Cheers, and I hope you can come up soon and dive,
> >Christina
> >www.christinayoung.com
> >
> >At Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:05:40 -0400 Capt JT wrote:
> >
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> >
> >Trey, I could give a shit what you or the other guy says, I checked with
> >the CG......... TODAY....... to be sure I was correct. I only must walk
> >300ft from my office to the USCG Marine Safety Office where I work, they
> >are stationed inside the shipyard I am employed at......... They handle
all
> >of the inspections for the SPV in this area.......... I discussed the
> >procedure for over an hour with them. Then I called and talked to the
> >pilots again in EC, NC......got the same answers they gave me at the
safety
> >seminar.
> >
> >Sure Danny sucks shit for lieing, everyone who lies does......... Sure he
> >has the worst track record for deaths........You are the last person I
want
> >to butt heads with, but I will not lie or change the facts of any event
to
> >suit personal agendas.
> >Clearly his dive operation needs to be updated as well as some of his
> >clientele.
> >
> >There are 2 kinds of Captains, those that have already had an accident
and
> >those that are about to. I have done everything possible to keep the
trips
> >I'm on safe, but that does not ensure it will not happen. Must I endure
the
> >same crap on these list if it happens to me and nothing I did was
> >wrong..........is that what you plan for me.
> >
> >The CG does not know jack shit about diving....... they know about boat
> >handling ect.......they rule over us Captains, cut and dry.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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