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--part1_119.148a4422.2a65c67d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/2002 7:07:58 PM Central Daylight Time, captjt@mi*.co* writes: > At 09:47 AM 7/15/02 -0400, HLAviation@ao*.co* wrote: > >> Per private conversation. At least one of the participants (me) has some >> questions. > Be glad to......... first let me congratulate you on the great job of > posting, I even had someone check you out to make sure you are not Mr > Clark........ see below > > JT, apparently this guy is not George: > <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/">http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/&l t;/A> > That top line was not written by me, it was quoted by me. No, I am not George, I do know him, I am not a blind supporter of his, when he says something I think is accurate, I agree with it, if he says something I think is inaccurate I dissagree with it. I generally don't agree with his method of conveying his opinion, I think his abrasiveness is counter-productive. My personal background: I hold a 1600 ton Ocean Masters license with all the STCW certifations involved. As for my tech dive training was done with Billy Deans while I worked as a captain for him several years ago. I have a PADI DM and IANTD certs to Trimix. I currntly work for Cal Dive International as a captain on commercial dive boats. If you look through my posting history as you've apparently looked up, you'll noticed most of my posts on technical issues are rationed, thought out, and my own. I follow no party line, and have no particular allegiences or grudges. I have no problems having rational arguments with people with divergent opinions of my own, and only very rarely regress to flaming and name calling and it is gennerally in response to repeated continuous baiting, then I can flame with the best, although it is not my preffered method of communicating. If you don't agree with me, I have no personal problems with it and I don't take disagreements personally. If you argue a point with me and can show where my logic is in error, you may change my opinion. My ego is not so large that I think I know everything, but when it comes to operating boats, I've been around for good while and have seen quite a bit. I've run all sorts of vessels from the shore boats and glass bottom boats in Avalon, large turn of the century schooners in LA and the Carib, small dive boats in KW, large commercial dive boats in the Gulf of Mexico oilfield, as well as ocean going tugs pulling450' -720' barges world wide. I've also owned my own commercial assist tow and salvage business. I'm a pretty damn good photographer and photo lab technician as well. Now you know a bit about where I and my opinions/posts come from. Master Steam & Motor vessels 1600 ton Oceans 3000 ton ITC, 500 ton sail, issue 4 s/n 10024xx Commercial pilot, Multi & Single engine land Single engine Seaplane, Part 137 endorsed >>Can't find his real name, with a short look but he is one championship poster and know-it-all on rec.boats and rec.scuba: <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HLAviation%40aol.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en ">http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HLAviation%40aol.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en< /A>& btnG=Google+Search Having cleared that up and not really knowing what boat you run, who you are or from what area , I will lay out the details for you and everyone. BTW, is SPV supposed to stand for Single Point Vessel? > Is it standard practice for the boat to leave the mooring and go meet the > helicopter, even though the boat may still have divers in the water? If > so, > why? When you are faced with an event on your vessel, take control.........each event will have its own guidelines and I cannot cover them all in a post. The crew and customers will look to you to make decisions, they will also look for everything you do wrong or see as wrong, they will always say what they would have done later, but their mind will be blank for the duration of the event, much like those on this list. Some may even panic, cause unnecessary stress and add confusion to the event. It is the decision of the Capt to call the CG, seasick passengers who think they are going to die, the CG will not come and get. You must decide which international call word fits the event, "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" which means distress;i.e., you are sinking, on fire..... immediate danger of loss of life or property. Or "Pan, Pan, Pan" which means an urgent message to follow; i.e. ,you need medical information, ect. Events with divers are not always clear cut, is a diver who is bent so badly he could die, which is loss of life or is the diver just bent and in pain or other, " I have a missing diver". In most cases "Pan, Pan, Pan" is used, but the CG will answer either. Remember the person who answers your call does not call the shots for the CG, they usually are just the "radioman" who gets someone else. He will also ask you to go to another channel other than 16, in most cases it is 22, He will contact the "flight surgeon", unlike our 911 system this person will likely have only general knowledge.......... either he will directly or through the radioman ask a series of questions and determine if an airvac is needed, this is based on several things, location, victim, other choppers already near the area, even if the Navy has a vessel close. While the Capt is on the radio he should assign someone the task of being the message relay person, meaning the Capt cannot attend to the victim and converse with the CG at the same time. It is the job of the crew and/or DM to perform CPR ect... It is very costly to send a chopper when other options are available. But you are the Capt and it is in your best interest to get the victim to professional help. The CG does not airlift bodies, they will get them at the dock. According to LT Gonzales of the CG, who is the Chief, Vessel Compliance Training Branch and Senior Resident Inspector for SPV in this area, and the Helo pilots from Elizabeth City, NC (they are the ones who handle our area) say the same thing. There is no Standard Practice for leaving the mooring, divers or not, a request is made to release from the mooring........ what they do say is this, each pick up is on case by case and the preferred way is to have the boat moving 30-80 degrees into the WIND in gear moving FWD at a slow speed. The chopper will direct you by radio as to what compass course to steer. To do a pick up from an SPV at anchor is the least favored option as the vessel will be blown in circles and is extremely difficult for the pilot. I have been the diver in the WATER under the boat during one of these types of pick ups. As the boat spun I was pulled from 30ft to the surface as I did not know what was going on, not my way of preference as a diver either. If the pilot is unable to place the pick up basket on the boat, they will place a rescue diver in the water and take the victim to the basket, another least favored option. Time lost.......... I was also told that no rules were broken by the Capt of the Seeker and he did what was they considered correct in sending a diver down to inform the divers who could not surface of the forthcoming event. It is the discretion of the Capt of the event at hand as to how and what is done. It is not the CG's job to complain, although they do have their preference. For what it is worth, any Capt of a SPV in my area of VA or NC who is interested in being invited to the safety seminar put on by the CG will be invited at the next one, send me your email address. For those who find fault with this post take it up with the CG............. Capt JT Barker Master Near Coastal 100 ton Issue Number 3 9935xx > It is general requested proceedure to be underway with the wind and seas on > a > forward qurter to help stabilize the deck. It is not mandatory, and the > time > I've had divers down (I've been involved in 4 medivacs in 15 years) I > declined and told them I had divers down and was unable to get underway. > They got the guy off my deck anyway with no problems or complaints. > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water" Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more Web Site <A HREF="http://www.capt-jt.com/">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A HREF="http://www.capt-jt.com/">/ </A>Email captjt@mi*.co* --part1_119.148a4422.2a65c67d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 7/15/2002 7:07:58 PM Central Daylight Time, captjt@mi*.co* writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At 09:47 AM 7/15/02 -0400, HLAviation@ao*.co* wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Per private conversation. At least one of the participants (me) has some<BR> questions.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Be glad to......... first let me congratulate you on the great job of posting, I even had someone check you out to make sure you are not Mr Clark........ see below<BR> <BR> JT, apparently this guy is not George:<BR> <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/">http://hometown.aol.com/hlaviation/&l t;/A><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> That top line was not written by me, it was quoted by me. No, I am not George, I do know him, I am not a blind supporter of his, when he says something I think is accurate, I agree with it, if he says something I think is inaccurate I dissagree with it. I generally don't agree with his method of conveying his opinion, I think his abrasiveness is counter-productive. My personal background: I hold a 1600 ton Ocean Masters license with all the STCW certifations involved. As for my tech dive training was done with Billy Deans while I worked as a captain for him several years ago. I have a PADI DM and IANTD certs to Trimix. I currntly work for Cal Dive International as a captain on commercial dive boats. If you look through my posting history as you've apparently looked up, you'll noticed most of my posts on technical issues are rationed, thought out, and my own. I follow no party line, and have no particular allegiences or grudges.<BR> <BR> I have no problems having rational arguments with people with divergent opinions of my own, and only very rarely regress to flaming and name calling and it is gennerally in response to repeated continuous baiting, then I can flame with the best, although it is not my preffered method of communicating. If you don't agree with me, I have no personal problems with it and I don't take disagreements personally. If you argue a point with me and can show where my logic is in error, you may change my opinion. My ego is not so large that I think I know everything, but when it comes to operating boats, I've been around for good while and have seen quite a bit. I've run all sorts of vessels from the shore boats and glass bottom boats in Avalon, large turn of the century schooners in LA and the Carib, small dive boats in KW, large commercial dive boats in the Gulf of Mexico oilfield, as well as ocean going tugs pulling450' -720' barges world wide. I've also owned my own commercial assist tow and salvage business. I'm a pretty damn good photographer and photo lab technician as well.<BR> <BR> Now you know a bit about where I and my opinions/posts come from.<BR> <BR> Master Steam & Motor vessels 1600 ton Oceans 3000 ton ITC, 500 ton sail, issue 4 s/n 10024xx<BR> Commercial pilot, Multi & Single engine land Single engine Seaplane, Part 137 endorsed<BR> >>Can't find his real name, with a short look but he is one championship poster and know-it-all on rec.boats and rec.scuba:<BR> <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HLAviation%40aol.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en ">http://groups.google.com/groups?q=HLAviation%40aol.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&h l=en</A>& <BR> btnG=Google+Search<BR> <BR> Having cleared that up and not really knowing what boat you run, who you are or from what area , I will lay out the details for you and everyone.<BR> <BR> BTW, is SPV supposed to stand for Single Point Vessel?<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is it standard practice for the boat to leave the mooring and go meet the<BR> helicopter, even though the boat may still have divers in the water? If so,<BR> why?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> When you are faced with an event on your vessel, take control.........each event will have its own guidelines and I cannot cover them all in a post. The crew and customers will look to you to make decisions, they will also look for everything you do wrong or see as wrong, they will always say what they would have done later, but their mind will be blank for the duration of the event, much like those on this list. Some may even panic, cause unnecessary stress and add confusion to the event. <BR> <BR> It is the decision of the Capt to call the CG, seasick passengers who think they are going to die, the CG will not come and get. <BR> <BR> You must decide which international call word fits the event, "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" which means distress;i.e., you are sinking, on fire..... immediate danger of loss of life or property. Or "Pan, Pan, Pan" which means an urgent message to follow; i.e. ,you need medical information, ect.<BR> <BR> Events with divers are not always clear cut, is a diver who is bent so badly he could die, which is loss of life or is the diver just bent and in pain or other, " I have a missing diver". In most cases "Pan, Pan, Pan" is used, but the CG will answer either. Remember the person who answers your call does not call the shots for the CG, they usually are just the "radioman" who gets someone else. He will also ask you to go to another channel other than 16, in most cases it is 22, He will contact the "flight surgeon", unlike our 911 system this person will likely have only general knowledge.......... either he will directly or through the radioman ask a series of questions and determine if an airvac is needed, this is based on several things, location, victim, other choppers already near the area, even if the Navy has a vessel close. While the Capt is on the radio he should assign someone the task of being the message relay person, meaning the Capt cannot attend to the victim and converse with the CG at the same time. It is the job of the crew and/or DM to perform CPR ect... It is very costly to send a chopper when other options are available. But you are the Capt and it is in your best interest to get the victim to professional help.<BR> <BR> The CG does not airlift bodies, they will get them at the dock. <BR> <BR> <BR> According to LT Gonzales of the CG, who is the Chief, Vessel Compliance Training Branch and Senior Resident Inspector for SPV in this area, and the Helo pilots from Elizabeth City, NC (they are the ones who handle our area) say the same thing.<BR> <BR> There is no Standard Practice for leaving the mooring, divers or not, a request is made to release from the mooring........ what they do say is this, each pick up is on case by case and the preferred way is to have the boat moving 30-80 degrees into the WIND in gear moving FWD at a slow speed. The chopper will direct you by radio as to what compass course to steer. <BR> <BR> To do a pick up from an SPV at anchor is the least favored option as the vessel will be blown in circles and is extremely difficult for the pilot. I have been the diver in the WATER under the boat during one of these types of pick ups. As the boat spun I was pulled from 30ft to the surface as I did not know what was going on, not my way of preference as a diver either. If the pilot is unable to place the pick up basket on the boat, they will place a rescue diver in the water and take the victim to the basket, another least favored option. Time lost..........<BR> <BR> I was also told that no rules were broken by the Capt of the Seeker and he did what was they considered correct in sending a diver down to inform the divers who could not surface of the forthcoming event. It is the discretion of the Capt of the event at hand as to how and what is done. It is not the CG's job to complain, although they do have their preference. <BR> <BR> For what it is worth, any Capt of a SPV in my area of VA or NC who is interested in being invited to the safety seminar put on by the CG will be invited at the next one, send me your email address. <BR> <BR> For those who find fault with this post take it up with the CG.............<BR> <BR> Capt JT Barker<BR> Master Near Coastal 100 ton<BR> Issue Number 3<BR> 9935xx<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It is general requested proceedure to be underway with the wind and seas on a <BR> forward qurter to help stabilize the deck. It is not mandatory, and the time <BR> I've had divers down (I've been involved in 4 medivacs in 15 years) I <BR> declined and told them I had divers down and was unable to get underway. <BR> They got the guy off my deck anyway with no problems or complaints.<BR> --<BR> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.<BR> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the water"<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><U>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more <BR> Web Site <A HREF="http://www.capt-jt.com/">http://www.capt-jt.com</A><A HREF="http://www.capt-jt.com/">/ </A>Email captjt@mi*.co*<BR> </U></FONT></HTML> --part1_119.148a4422.2a65c67d_boundary-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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