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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:16:59 -0400
To: <girvine@be*.ne*>, "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject: RE: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
I can only explain the true facts of experience and from the CG, leaving 
divers in the water is a standard FL thing on drift dives is it not....



At 09:06 PM 7/14/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>Yeah, right  - leave divers in the water? Your pal on the Seeker is a moron.
>As usual, you guys and the Seeker are good at explaining clusterfucks
>because you have so much experience with them. This guy has the worst track
>record in the game and it is not by chance.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*]
>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:42 PM
>To: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
>Subject: Re: FW: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
>
>
>Would it be really worth my time to explain the proper medovac procedure
>from a vessel by the CG. I have seen and been involved in several, also I
>have had some training from the CG on the procedure because of being a
>Tugboat Capt as they offer a one day safety seminar here for Tug Captains
>and mates. This is something not offered to the dive boat operators here,
>which I believe should be or is this just another way of slandering the
>"Seeker" by insinuating they did something wrong doing the
>medovac...........I'm not interested in debating their dive gear, diving
>technique, past record, DIR war ect...... just what I'm learned from
>experience and suggested by the CG.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        At 11:25 PM 7/12/02 -0400, George Irvine wrote:
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mwithers [mailto:mwithers@hi*.co*]
> >Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:10 PM
> >To: 'Alton J. Hall, Jr.'; 'Paul Braunbehrens'
> >Cc: 'MHK'; 'Udo Rotmistrenko'; 'Quest List'; 'Jarrod Jablonski'
> >Subject: RE: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
> >
> >
> >Speaking of the Seeker - they lost another diver on Sunday, and left at
> >least 2 in the water while they went to meet the chopper in seas "snottier
> >than expected."  Go figure.  Details below.
> >Martha
> >
> >***************************
> >
> >
> >From:   jess Zellers [kaffphine@ho*.co*]
> >Sent:   Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:49 PM
> >To:     mwithers@hi*.co*
> >Subject:        Seeker- Sunday
> >
> >This report is more sober than our normal "muck" but well worth reading.
> >It's a good reminder that you need to be prepared for anything...
> >
> > From Rick Huck
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >It's taken me awhile to collect my thoughts for this dive report.  That's
> >because it's not just a summary of a dive.  Diving brings with it many
> >challenges as we all know.  Since I began diving I have faced many of
>these.
> >Now and then new ones present themselves.  Sunday was that kind of day.
> >Aboard the Seeker, I dove on the Algol, a Navy cargo ship 460' long sitting
> >in 130' of water.  One of the "Thursday Night Crazies", Terry Martzall, was
> >one of the mates.  Considering that I drove to Jersey by myself and didn't
> >really know anyone, he was a welcome relief.  He was also a great help in
> >helping me plan my dive.  A close friend of his, Brian, was on board and we
> >struck up an immediate buddy-ship (no pun intended).  We were going to go
> >check out the lobsters not far from the wreck.  The seas were a bit
> >"snottier" than was expected.  The Seeker was filled with a wide variety of
> >divers in all shapes and sizes.  Brian and I waited a bit to let some of
> >these people get in ahead of us.  We planned on meeting at the wheelhouse
> >where we were tied in.  Since a few divers got in between us upon entry,
> >when I got down he was nowhere to be found.  I had figured he was off to
>the
> >lobster condos.  I found out later that he had some reg problems and never
> >made it down.  I decided to stay on the superstructure and check out photo
> >ops, which were plentiful, for dive #2.  Tons of fish and other marine life
> >were all over this huge artificial reef.  I was in and out of the wreck as
>I
> >headed toward the bow.  I couldn't wait to take pictures.  Soon it was time
> >for my ascent.  There was a bit of a current going up the anchor line so I
> >was glad that I had my Jon line.  I passed Terry on the way up as he had
>set
> >the hook and then did one long dive.
> >
> >I was about 15' above him when another diver came down the line with a
>slate
> >reading "Have to medovac diver will return to get you".  Little did I know
> >of the drama that had unfolded on the surface as I enjoyed the 25' vis and
> >50 degree temperatures below.  Then the anchor line became limp.  I still
> >had 5 minutes to go.  The dark shape that was above me was no longer there.
> >When I surfaced the Seeker was some 40 yards away from me heading in the
> >opposite direction.  I signaled "ok" as they disappeared into the waves.  I
> >looked around and I was in an open ocean hanging on the mooring ball all
> >alone.  I told myself to relax and just breathe, they will be back.  Terry
> >soon popped up from his stops and joined me.  At least I had company.  But
> >my thoughts were of the divers onboard the boat.  What had happened?  As we
> >clung together water and sky were the only things visible, a very
>unsettling
> >feeling.  Then came the sound of a chopper off in the distance.  We could
> >hardly see it that far away.  We waited and waited.  The chopper passed
> >overhead to check on us as it headed to the medical facilities.  Again we
> >signaled our "ok".  He waved and continued on.  We waited even longer.
> >Then, finally, the Seeker came back into our sights.  She never looked so
> >good.  Safely onboard we learned that a diver had had a heart attack
>shortly
> >after getting into the water.  Capt. Dan Crowell and crew had administered
> >CPR and he was stable with good color when airlifted off the boat.  News
> >came in later, sadly, that he didn't make it.  My heart went out to his
> >family and to his friends that were onboard.  I couldn't imagine the
>anguish
> >of collecting his gear at the end of the trip.  I realize that bad things
> >can happen.  As divers we must keep ourselves in good physical and mental
> >condition especially for the stresses that our sport has upon us.  Be
> >prepared and dive safely.  I was very glad when I arrived home to be back
>in
> >the arms of my wife.
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Alton J. Hall, Jr. [mailto:ahall@da*.co*]
> >Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:36 PM
> >To: Paul Braunbehrens; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Cc: MHK; Udo Rotmistrenko; Quest List; Jarrod Jablonski
> >Subject: Re: Survey of NE DiveBoats re: GUE acceptance.
> >
> >
> >You are absolutely correct. The only defense to slander such as that
> >disseminated by the Seeker crowd is truth. In this case I know for a
> >FACT that GUE though it's instructors is insured. I, personally hope
> >that GUE decides to pursue the matter. In response to another query
> >regarding how the Seeker stays out of trouble, it appears to me that
> >they spend more time on the releases they have divers sign than on
> >running a competent service. I only wish I could purchase some
> >advertising on the vessel. "Could you die today...call 1-800-diver55".
> >
> >Alton
> >http://www.divelawyer.com/
> >
> >
> >Paul Braunbehrens wrote:
> >
> > > MHK wrote:
> > > ~
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Furthermore, the notion that GUE is lacking in insurance is a deceptive
> > >> tactic used by the competitors to gain advantage.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you guys should take legal action.  I'm not a lawyer, but I'm
> > > pretty sure that's slander.  In any case, even if you don't go through
> > > with a legal action, by initiating contact through a lawyer and
> > > threatening a lawsuit based on slander you'd probably shut them up
> > > once and for all on this issue.
> > >
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