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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:40:30 +1100
From: Christian Gerzner <christiang@cc*.co*.au*>
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
CC: Dogtrner1@ao*.co*
Subject: Re: Diving with ME/CFS
Dogtrner1@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> Wow!  So Christian, question:  Do you think that all people either
> born with disabilities or having them later in life should just be
> euthanized so that they don't "burden" society.

I said NOTHING of the sort. I'd rather you do not put words into my
mouth. :I
> 
> I personally know of several people who dive with severe
> disabilities, myself included, who do just fine.

Properly read my post.
 
> I have MS, and was in a wheelchair for 3 yrs, yet because of diving
> I am able to go back to doing the things I once did, like train
> dogs, aggitate dogs for cops, go hiking, and backpacking, and
> kayaking.

Good for you. Properly read my post.
> 
> Diving,  1) gave me the physical benefits of oxygen under pressure,
> without being subjected to a hyperbaric chamber----which I would
> have never done(clausterphobic).
> 2) Diving gave me the stress reliever that I needed in my life.
> 3) Diving gives me the physical excercise that I need in my life,
> and encourages me to excercise more, in more traditional areas.

Good for you. Properly read my post.
 
> I know of people who dive with no legs, who are paralysed, and who
> are blind(Course, I haven't figured that one out yet).
> 
> The point is, if they can swim, they can dive.

Errrmmm, no, beg to disagree. I know LOTS of people who can swim
better than I can, who would never make competent divers. Medical
conditions are NOT the only ones that spring to mind.
 
> Now, all that being said, I have absolutely no hesitation to call a
> dive if I don't feel well.  I have done it in the past, and will do
> it again in the future.

As one should.
 
> Anyway, I hate it when people say "you cant do that because you have
> a physical disability or a mental disability or limitation of some
> kind"

If you have a limitation of some kind, whether mental or physical,
doesn't much matter which, why, you are OBLIGED to someone else to
help you overcome that limitation in an extreme activity such as
SCUBA. Personally, as I said, I do not believe myself to be qualified
and I much doubt that there are many that are (depending on the limitation).

> Don't limit people, and pray that for the grace of god, you aren't
> in those shoes one day.

Karla,

I look at it ONLY from a practical viewpoint. People with limitations
that seek out extreme activities (as, in our case, diving) place a
liability on their companions which is far removed from the usual
"buddy" situation. They place an extra onus of responsibility on their
companions and, if these agree to these added responsibilities, well
and good. I suspect, however, that sometimes these people do not
realise the "degree of contract" (in these litigious times) that they
are entering into, quite possibly entirely innocently.

Then there are some who do not realise that a stranger buddy may not
be all that they seem ... which is one reason why many, myself
included, will almost always limit themselves to diving with others
known to them.

Frankly (this is a statement not really wise on this lis) I'd prefer
to dive "self sufficient" rather than with a stranger "buddy" (where
both are equal). I'm quite certain that there are many readers who
would agree with me.

If, however, I am prepared to dive with someone I don't know who
freely acknowledges that they are a novice, why that's a different
matter entirely and I'd dive just as I would with a person with
limitations, were that to happen. *MY* dive would be spent looking out
for that other diver, 100% of the time. Which is as it should be.

Cheers,

Christian
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