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Scott,
Can I ask why you would suggest we accompany you "to the repair area of any
ten or twenty randomly selected scuba shops" and check out how they service
regulators? Considering that the majority of dive shops do most things
incorrectly it is hard to see what that exercise would accomplish.
In the real world, the regulators that Paul services himself work just
fine. So he is doing better than some dive shops I have seen (although
there are a few shops that consistently do a good job). Aside from any
oxygen issues, are you disputing that Krytox and Christo-Lube are better
lubricants than silicone grease? Or perhaps you were trying to tell us
something else?
-Nick
ScottBonis@ao*.co*
m To: Bakalite@ba*.co*,
richgulley@qw*.ne*, NRadov@ax*.co*,
techdiver@aquanaut.com
06/04/2002 01:25 cc:
AM Subject: Re: Nitrox Sticker
Hi Paul,
You say << The whole "oxygen clean" thing revolves mainly around 2 points,
lube
and o-rings. As far as lube is concerned, almost everybody is using
the O2 safe stuff anyway, because it's a much better lubricant. >>
From the first part of your statement, could you please explain a little
further about what the o-rings (as opposed to the lube) have to do with
"oxygen clean". Do you understand the difference between "oxygen clean"
and
"oxygen compatable?"
And from the second part of your statement, the politest thing I can think
of
to say is STFD and STFU. Even though you choose to offer advice on this
list, you obviously don't have even the slightest inkling of what you are
talking about. Would you care to accompany me to the repair area of any
ten
or twenty randomly selected scuba shops? Do you really think you are going
to see oxygen compatable lube as opposed to silicone grease being used on
regs? Get real.
You also say later<< Of course I'm just a diver who's read some books and
looked up some stuff on line, I'm no authority on the subject. >>
Boy, is that true.
Take care and dive safe, Scott
Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints
and
scramble up out of the pit.
In a message dated 6/3/02 6:55:00 PM, Bakalite@ba*.co* writes:
<< Rich Gulley wrote:
~
> > I think you missed my point. Let's try this again from the top. All
tanks
>> always need to be completely clean, and obviously that means we should
>only
>> fill from known clean gas sources. I didn't mean to imply that you
don't
>do
>> this. If it makes you feel good to follow some sort of extra oxygen
>> cleaning ritual and slap a sticker on it then go ahead, but it doesn't
>> change what is actually in the tank.
>
>I agree, but what do you mean by "extra oxygen cleaning ritual"? A tank is
>either clean and rated for oxygen service or not.
The whole "oxygen clean" thing revolves mainly around 2 points, lube
and o-rings. As far as lube is concerned, almost everybody is using
the O2 safe stuff anyway, because it's a much better lubricant.
O-rings are really not an issue. The "o2 safe" part of O-rings
doesn't really refer to them causing a problem in terms of
combustion, but rather that some materials will degrade faster in an
oxygen environment than others. Regular O-rings seem to work just
fine, and since we replace them all once a year anyway, it's really
not that big a deal.
There are two other issues, which really don't affect mots people.
One is that some dry sealed systems use a whole bunch of lube in the
dry chamber, and people have been using silicone for that. My regs
are Apeks, which don't need that, so I know little about this. The
other is that certain metals are more combustible, such as titanium.
Don't use regs that have titanium parts (they'll tell you on the box,
because titanium is really expensive and "sexy" .... and dangerous).
Some Apeks regs have titanium parts.
In reality, very very few tank explosions happen, and I'm sure a lot
of "dirty" tanks get filled all the time. Usually, the tank
explosions have nothing to do with oxygen at all. There was one
recently where the tank was rusted through, and the shop owner filled
it even though it was well out of visual and hydro. He died. There
is another one that is easily found on the net, which was apparently
caused by cracks in the material. Some years ago a bunch of Catalina
tanks were manufactured with an alloy that has since been shown to be
somewhat less stable than you'd want. Some of those tanks develop
cracks in the neck and then explode when filled. Newer tanks aren't
made with that alloy, but all the AL tanks are tested using the
Visual Plus system anyway, just to make sure.
All the oxygen fires that I'm aware of are related to boosting the
oxygen, except for the one in San Diego, where the guy was using a
titanium regulator.
Of course I'm just a diver who's read some books and looked up some
stuff on line, I'm no authority on the subject.
>I have read what Trey has said. I also think he has more practical
knowledge
>on this and any other diving related matter. I fallow his advice, it is
>beyond sound. But I don't remember him saying to do something easier just
>because you can get away with it.
I think Trey says basically that putting a sticker on a tank is
dangerous, because you are now making assumptions about it's
cleanliness, or the contents, and the sticker doesn't prove anything.
It basically provides a false sense of security.
-Paul B. >>
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