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Ted

You do not understand. The Instructor is not part of the team, he is an
observer. The training is conducted in very shallow water to stress buoyancy
skills, minimize any opportunity for injure, ands safety. This also is
targeted at developing communication skills and team work.

This course is not just about demo the skill to the instructor and move to
the next skill and/or student. It is like the rest of the DIR approach (it
is NOT just equipment but the whole approach and mindset). I thought that
I/we were pretty close and heading in the right direction. Taking this class
really helps to understand the whole DIR concept.

One just do not get a real understanding of this from the newsgroups and
list. You got to take a class. This I discovered the hard way taking this
class.

I concur with JTs comment about riding your soap box to the next available
class so you will understand.

Contact Todd Clagett, he is host a class up in the DC area. I think they are
going to the neighborhood quarry this weekend for prep and discussion. You
(I believe you are an instructor) need to take two steps back and look at
the bigger picture. I have be teaching (OW through Trimix) for a while and
this course has really helped and opened up my eyes.

Andrew delivered more the just diving 101 or OW on steroids, the course is
much more than that. It is establishing a level of skills and setting the
bar to achieve to. The proper methods and techniques to use. What real
buoyancy control is, trim, kick, fundamental skills, essential skills,
signalling, communication (before, during, after), buddy skills (not just
same day same ocean BS), team work, ...

It was very much worth the money spent. I would do it again.

R/David
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ted Green [mailto:scuba@md*.co*]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:39 AM
  To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
  Subject: 3 man teams - not for training


  From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>

  > During one drill he asked us if we would do 3 man teams, I have
  > experienced and see felled 3 man dive teams and said I did not want to
do
  > that. Everything he was about to explain about 3 man teams I already
knew,
  > we would be doing some of our in water skills with 3 man teams and we
  > would fail....... 3 man teams are the hardest to dive, only those that
  > practice this can use it to its fullest potential, a safer dive, those
  > that just do it will always put one diver at risk.

  While I'm on my soap box,
  Three man buddy teams have no place in diving instruction.

  When two people dive together, they each divide their time between what
they are doing and what their buddy is doing.

  When two people are diving in a class situation with an instructor, the
students each divide their time between what they are doing, what their
buddy is doing, what the instructor is doing, and hopefully trying to learn
something. THIS IS A THREE MAN TEAM!

  When three people are diving in a class situation with an instructor, each
students divides their time between what they are doing, what buddy #1 is
doing, what buddy #2 is doing, what the instructor is doing, and hopefully
trying to learn something. THIS IS A FOUR MAN TEAM! How much do you think
the student is really going to learn in this situation?

  As an instructor I have an obligation to be a backup to each of my
students.....to save them in a life threatening situation. Each time I ad
another student to the group it reduces proportionally the amount of time I
have to keep track of and teach each student.

  In the pool I can see 4 to 6 students ( in two or three teams of two
buddies each ) to one instructor. In open water it's two buddies to one
instructor......especially in the overhead environment or decompression.



Ted Green
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Dive Charter Boat: O.C. Diver
                   Sunset Marina in Ocean City, Maryland
                   http://www.ocdiver.com
                   410.742.1992  800.637.2102
                   Fax 410.749.9410
"Diving the Atlantic coast from Cape May NJ to Cape Charles VA."
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8:39=20
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
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  During one drill he asked us if we would do 3 man teams, I =
have<BR>>=20
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I=20
  already knew,<BR>> we would be doing some of our in water skills =
with 3 man=20
  teams and we<BR>> would fail....... 3 man teams are the hardest to =
dive,=20
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potential, a=20
  safer dive, those<BR>> that just do it will always put one diver at =
risk.=20
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teams =
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trying=20
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people=20
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buddy #2=20
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have an=20
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life=20
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reduces=20
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each=20
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three teams=20
  of two buddies each ) to one instructor. In open water it's two =
buddies to one=20
  instructor......especially in the overhead environment or=20
  decompression.<BR><BR><BR><PRE>Ted Green
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dive Charter Boat: O.C. Diver
                   Sunset Marina in Ocean City, Maryland
                   http://www.ocdiver.com
                   410.742.1992  800.637.2102
                   Fax 410.749.9410
"Diving the Atlantic coast from Cape May NJ to Cape Charles VA."
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