The real point is Andrew trying to offset the idiocy in the DUI handbook
about using the suit for buoyancy. The suit is to stay warm and it needs to
be comfortable. Everybody seems to come away with a different version of
what they think Andrew told them.

Dry suit skills are like everything else - the more you use them the better
you get. Bill Gavin left his suit back at the hotel one day when he and I
had a dive to do, and he just grabbed one of mine. I am 60 pounds heavier
than Gavin and taller. He wears a stock small. He had no problem diving my
suit and looking perfect.

I prefer a perfect suit, but I can tell you that the more you can handle in
the way of suit situations, the safer you will be.

-----Original Message-----
From: Allyson [mailto:allysonclagett@ea*.ne*]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:21 AM
To: scuba@md*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Cc: 'Capt JT'
Subject: RE: Dir fundamentals - What's the point of this drill?


Andrew was demonstrating that divers do not need a bunch of air in their dry
suits.  After we completely rid our dry suits of air and were squeezed he
plainly said "you do not need much more air than this during your dive.  You
will add enough to fluff the undergarment to keep you warm."  He was not
suggesting that we dive like that.  The point of not having any air in the
dry suit on the first day of diving was to take out the dry suit variable so
we could concentrate on other skills.

Allyson

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Green [mailto:scuba@md*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:37 AM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Cc: Capt JT
Subject: Dir fundamentals - What's the point of this drill?



From:           	Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject:        	Dir fundamentals instructor beats up student for DIW part 2

> BTW, I forgot to mention we were not allowed to hook up our DS
> inflators, the squeeze made reaching your valves much harder.

Maybe I'm missing something here. The only time I have had the
"shrink wrap effect" was on a descent when the dry suit inflator
hose came off. No problem, reconnect drysuit inflator hose or
inflate wing and return to surface. If you have a regulator or power
inflator failure which prevents buoyancy control, ditch weight and
return to the surface. "Shrink wrap effect" is a shallow water
problem where the greatest volume change occurs, usually the first
33'. If your not putting gas in your drysuit until you hit the bottom,
you have a skill problem, or you don't understand how to operate a
dry suit properly, or you just like the sensation of your testicles
being squeezed. To me, valve shut down drills while shrink wrapped
would be pointless.

JT maybe you should take Andrew to one of the 40 degree quarries
let him enter the water with his drysuit zipper open and let him
demonstrate gas shut down drills, buoyancy skills, and deco stops
with a flooded drysuit. Having to complete a dive with a flooded
drysuit in cold water is probably a thousand times more likely than
than his exercise.

While I'm not a member of the Jim Cobb fan club, I tip my hat and
congratulate him as being the only one willing to say, "this is
bullshit!" and walk away.

Ted


Ted Green
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