Skip,

In addition to your comments which I agree with, I would also add that I
hear all the time that the DIR message would spread faster if so and so was
nicer, or some other such touchy feely nonsense..

The fact is that if someone is going to put themselves into a situation of a
technical dive, meaning a direct ascent isn't possible without risk of
injury or death, and they want to be hand held on the internet, then that
diver better develop a thicker skin..

I've yet to see someone get torn up for simply asking a question..
Generally speaking, the flames only occur after a question is asked, the
answer is provided and then either the original questioner or some
know-it-all chimes in with some poorly thought out, personal preference crap
that is usually a much riskier methodology..

PADI has trained divers like Pavlovian dogs with this * in the unlikely
event* *positive reinforcement* nonsense that when a diver moves on from the
recreational stuff and moves into tech diving they expect the same BS..

It's been my experience that if you want the answers, you can get them..
But by the same token if you want flames you'll get them as well..  The
question is what do they want..

Later
----- Original Message -----
From: "Skip MacElhannon" <skipmac@co*.co*>
To: "John H. Adair III" <jadair@so*.co*>; "'Timothy Doty'"
<TDoty@vi*.or*>
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Tech Program


> I have to wonder about a diver that is afraid of asking questions on
techdiver because someone might call them names or say something mean.  So
far I have not heard of any deaths or injuries resulting from flames on the
internet.
>
> If one cannot handle a little online stress how might they react to a real
problem underwater?
>
>
>
> At 09:43 AM 4/18/02 -0400, John H. Adair III wrote:
> >
> >Tim,
> >  No one has ever been "ripped to shreds" for asking questions on this
list,
> >even by GI3.  The ripping starts when someone gets on the list, explains
in
> >detail how "they do it" and than challenges the list to dispute it, all
> >while in the form of a "question".  Ask a question about DIR and you will
> >get an answer, ask about personal preference, and you will get an answer,
> >then you decide which makes more sense and remember to also make sure you
> >take into consideration the track record of the "teacher".
> >  Pick up the copy of DIR fundamentals and read it in conjunction with
"The
> >Last Dive", if the right way and wrong way is not obviously clear, sell
you
> >gear and take up golf.
> >
> >
> >John Adair
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Timothy Doty [mailto:TDoty@vi*.or*]
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 5:40 PM
> >To: Bob Sherwood
> >Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: Re: Tech Program
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>how's the pursuit of knowledge going?
> >Always learning!
> >
> >>The season is here and the temp is almost to bearable....well almost.
> >I don't think I would want to do too long a dive but 45 minutes or so
isn't
> >bad.  Jim and I try to get a dive in every month even in the winter.  The
> >challenge in the winter isn't the cold so much as finding something
> >interesting to dive.  In the winter we usually don't stray to far and
> >diving in the Finger Lakes isn't that exciting to start with.
> >
> >>This list is always  adversarial.  Someone always has a different
opinion
> >as to what is >right.
> >I don't have problem with a difference of opinion but the saying goes
> >something like catching more flies with honey then vinegar.  In the brief
> >discussion we had at Beneath the Sea you where able to make your points
in
> >a persuasive way, and as I'm sure you know that's the only way to
convince
> >people your right.  All the name calling on this list and others takes me
> >back to grade school!
> >
> >>Easiest way to weed through it all, is to gain as much info as possible,
> >That's one thing the GUE site does very well, very informative!
> >
> >>don't be afraid to ask questions,
> >I bet there are plenty of people who are interested in tech diving and
have
> >a question but don't ask because they are afraid of being ripped to
shreds!
> >I see that as the problem.  The DIR mind set would spread a lot faster if
> >individuals who claim to promote it would change their demeanor.  It gets
> >to the point where an individual doesn't care if it's right or not, they
> >just don't want to be involved with that kind of personality.
> >
> >>and develop a thicker skin by not taking things to personal.
> >LOL!  You should see me at work!
> >
> >>Oh, and if you learned it from PADI.... it is probably WRONG
> >Your killin me!
> >
> >>Do you have a copy of the DIR fundamentals book yet?
> >No but no matter what program I go with I plan to pick one up.
> >
> >>Tell you what I'm gonna do.....just to prove that I'm not as bad as
rumors
> >would have >you think <G>
> >You must have me confused with a different PADI chap, I was actually
> >thinking I liked you to much for you to be a DIR evangelist.
> >
> >>If you wanna stop by, I'll give you a copy to get you started in the
right
> >direction.
> >I might just do that!
> >
> >Take care
> >Tim
> >
> >
> >
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