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Couldn't agree more, not a diving issue at all! It's an issue of stupidity!
Boat shouldn't have been there and obviously those divers shouldn't have
been there either.
Art.
-----Original Message-----
From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:21 PM
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: This is why I don't Do Anchor diving
The real story here is not running a proper operation from a simple
seamanship point of view. This is not a diving issue, it is a dumb ass
issue. Most people who own or run boats don't have a clue, and that is why
we see what we see.
-----Original Message-----
From: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* [mailto:Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 8:39 AM
To: Dogtrner1@ao*.co*; captnick@be*.ne*; perdicea@no*.co*;
MERC1328@ao*.co*; demime-scuba-l@sc*.sq*.co*; FLTechDiver@mikey.net;
SCUBA-L@li*.br*.ed*; musmach@me*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: This is why I don't Do Anchor diving
This is just stupid! To me it's more a reason not to drift dive. Drifting
in strong currents in 3 foot waves is not my idea of fun. Drift deco alone?
Just plain old dumb! He floated off in current and surfaced hours later?
What was he doing, drift deco or lost? If he was lost, why not tie off and
come up? Hell, nothing to tie off to, tie your goodie bag, tools whatever
to the end of the up line and drop it. Fill your bag with sand, something
to keep you semi rooted to the bottom. That boat shouldn't have even been
there. No wonder it didn't just drift off. Who was topside? No cell
phone? When on an unfamiliar site, run a line from where the anchor is tied
in so you can find your way back. In my opinion this is not a lesson in why
not to anchor to a site but more a lesson in stupidity!
Naturally different environments call for different diving. If the currents
were that strong then you have to drift but then you need to have someone
topside to follow you! Certainly in a boat that is reliable enough to start
and with a radio or cell phone. Why doesn't own a cell phone? Bunch of
hicks? I know I've used my cell phone easily 7 miles out. This just sounds
like a bunch of morons not knowing what's going on.....
Art.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dogtrner1@ao*.co* [mailto:Dogtrner1@ao*.co*]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:01 PM
To: captnick@be*.ne*; perdicea@no*.co*; MERC1328@ao*.co*;
demime-scuba-l@sc*.sq*.co*; FLTechDiver@mikey.net;
SCUBA-L@li*.br*.ed*; musmach@me*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: This is why I don't Do Anchor diving
In a message dated 4/1/2002 9:32:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
TheReefManiac@ao*.co* writes:
Okeechobee diver found alive after 19 hours at sea
By Debbie Robinson staff writer
April 1, 2002
An Okeechobee diver was rescued unharmed Sunday morning offshore from
the
Sebastian Inlet after being in the water for 19 hours.
Carlos Duarte, 41, was pulled from the water by a recreational boater
who
spotted the man about 10:30 a.m. about 15 miles offshore, said Coast
Guard
Petty Officer Dana Morrison.
"Surprisingly, he was in pretty good shape," Morrison said. "He was
pretty
sunburned and tired."
Indian River County paramedics examined Duarte, but the diver refused
any
further medical treatment, Morrison said.
Duarte could not be reached for comment Sunday evening.
His saga started early Saturday afternoon when Duarte and two friends
steered their boat through the Fort Pierce Inlet into the Atlantic
Ocean
for an afternoon of lobster diving, Morrison said.
They headed north to the Vero Beach area, where they dropped anchor
about
3:30 p.m. about seven miles offshore from the area of South Beach
Park at
East Causeway Boulevard, said Indian River County Fire Lt. Kevin
Slade.
"There was an extremely strong current, and he drifted away from the
boat
underwater," he said.
When Duarte surfaced, he was several miles away from the boat and
unable to
swim back, Slade said.
His two friends, who were not identified, couldn't contact the Coast
Guard
because the boat was not equipped with radio communications or
flares,
Morrison said.
"They had no radio, no flares and the boat wouldn't start," he said.
At dawn, the two men were able to get the attention of a passing
boat, and
the people on board contacted the Coast Guard, Morrison said.
An air and ground search was launched and Duarte was located in the
water
about 10:30 a.m. by another boater who brought the diver to shore at
the
Sebastian Inlet, he said.
Duarte had been battling strong currents and 3-foot waves, Morrison
said.
Duarte stayed afloat by pumping air from his tank into his vest,
Morrison
said.
Two Indian River County Fire Department rescue divers earlier had
entered
the water in the area where Duarte was diving, and the department's
marine
cutter also participated in the search, Slade said.
Henry A. Stephens
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Arial'>Couldn’t agree more, not a diving issue at all!<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>It’s an issue of =
stupidity!<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Boat shouldn’t have =
been there and
obviously those divers shouldn’t have been there =
either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> George Irvine
[mailto:girvine@be*.ne*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday,
April =
03, 2002
8:21 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
techdiver@aquanaut.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: This is
why =
I don't
Do Anchor diving</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if =
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color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The real story =
here is
not running a proper operation from a simple seamanship point of =
view.
This is not a diving issue, it is a dumb ass issue. Most people who own =
or run
boats don't have a clue, and that is why we see what we =
see.</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*
[mailto:Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April
02, =
2002 8:39
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Dogtrner1@ao*.co*;
captnick@be*.ne*; perdicea@no*.co*; MERC1328@ao*.co*;
demime-scuba-l@sc*.sq*.co*; FLTechDiver@mikey.net; =
SCUBA-L@li*.br*.ed*;
musmach@me*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: This is
why =
I don't
Do Anchor diving</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span =
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This is just stupid!<span =
style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>To me it’s more a reason not to drift =
dive.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Drifting in strong currents =
in 3 foot
waves is not my idea of fun.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</span>Drift
deco alone?<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Just plain =
old
dumb!<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>He floated off in =
current
and surfaced hours later?<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</span>What was
he doing, drift deco or lost?<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</span>If
he was lost, why not tie off and come up?<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</span>Hell, nothing to tie off to, tie your goodie bag, tools whatever =
to the
end of the up line and drop it.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">
</span>Fill your bag with sand, something to keep you semi rooted to =
the
bottom.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That boat =
shouldn’t have
even been there.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>No =
wonder it
didn’t just drift off.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</span>Who was
topside?<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>No cell =
phone?<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>When on an unfamiliar site, =
run a line
from where the anchor is tied in so you can find your way back.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In my opinion this is not a =
lesson in
why not to anchor to a site but more a lesson in =
stupidity!<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span =
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
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lt;/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><span =
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Naturally different environments call for =
different
diving.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If the currents =
were that
strong then you have to drift but then you need to have someone topside =
to
follow you!<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Certainly in =
a boat
that is reliable enough to start and with a radio or cell phone.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Why doesn’t own a cell =
phone?<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Bunch of hicks?<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I know I’ve used my =
cell phone easily 7
miles out.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This just =
sounds like a
bunch of morons not knowing what’s going =
on…..<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
Dogtrner1@ao*.co*
[mailto:Dogtrner1@ao*.co*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April
01, =
2002 10:01
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
captnick@be*.ne*;
perdicea@no*.co*; MERC1328@ao*.co*; =
demime-scuba-l@sc*.sq*.co*;
FLTechDiver@mikey.net; SCUBA-L@li*.br*.ed*; =
musmach@me*.ne*;
techdiver@aquanaut.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> This is why
I =
don't Do
Anchor diving</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a message
dated 4/1/2002 9:32:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheReefManiac@ao*.co* =
writes: <br>
<br>
<br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'>
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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Okeechobee
diver found alive after 19 hours at sea <br>
By Debbie Robinson staff writer <br>
April 1, 2002 <br>
An Okeechobee diver was rescued unharmed Sunday morning offshore from =
<br>
the <br>
Sebastian Inlet after being in the water for 19 hours. <br>
Carlos Duarte, 41, was pulled from the water by a recreational boater =
<br>
who <br>
spotted the man about 10:30 a.m. about 15 miles offshore, said Coast =
<br>
Guard <br>
Petty Officer Dana Morrison. <br>
"Surprisingly, he was in pretty good shape," Morrison said. =
"He
was <br>
pretty <br>
sunburned and tired." <br>
Indian River County paramedics examined Duarte, but the diver refused =
<br>
any <br>
further medical treatment, Morrison said. <br>
Duarte could not be reached for comment Sunday evening. <br>
His saga started early Saturday afternoon when Duarte and two friends =
<br>
steered their boat through the Fort Pierce Inlet into the Atlantic <br>
Ocean <br>
for an afternoon of lobster diving, Morrison said. <br>
They headed north to the Vero Beach area, where they dropped anchor =
<br>
about <br>
3:30 p.m. about seven miles offshore from the area of South Beach <br>
Park at <br>
East Causeway Boulevard, said Indian River County Fire Lt. Kevin <br>
Slade. <br>
"There was an extremely strong current, and he drifted away from =
the <br>
boat <br>
underwater," he said. <br>
When Duarte surfaced, he was several miles away from the boat and <br>
unable to <br>
swim back, Slade said. <br>
His two friends, who were not identified, couldn't contact the Coast =
<br>
Guard <br>
because the boat was not equipped with radio communications or <br>
flares, <br>
Morrison said. <br>
"They had no radio, no flares and the boat wouldn't start," =
he said. <br>
At dawn, the two men were able to get the attention of a passing <br>
boat, and <br>
the people on board contacted the Coast Guard, Morrison said. <br>
An air and ground search was launched and Duarte was located in the =
<br>
water <br>
about 10:30 a.m. by another boater who brought the diver to shore at =
<br>
the <br>
Sebastian Inlet, he said. <br>
Duarte had been battling strong currents and 3-foot waves, Morrison =
<br>
said. <br>
Duarte stayed afloat by pumping air from his tank into his vest, <br>
Morrison <br>
said. <br>
Two Indian River County Fire Department rescue divers earlier had <br>
entered <br>
the water in the area where Duarte was diving, and the department's =
<br>
marine <br>
cutter also participated in the search, Slade said. <br>
<br>
<br>
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