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>From: John.Brett@qu*.co* >To: snaunton@ho*.co* >Subject: RE: RE: detecting bends >Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:42:19 -0500 > > > Because this is an forum for the discussion of technical > > diving and another > > diver made a statement I happened to disagree with on the > > basis of the facts presented. > >I'm still struggling to work out what basis you have on >which to express your disagreement. Do you have more >knowledge than the WKPP about decompression? Errmm... no, and I haven't claimed to have. >Do you know >Dr Bennett? Not personnally. How, apart from being a leader for you to name drop, is this relevant? > > > Strictly speaking, we are not talking about > > decompression, we are > > talking about the possibility of a simple method of > > determining whether a diver has DCI or not. > >Ugh! It seems that you haven't understood G's comments. >Detecting *venous* bubbles isn't the same as detecting >a bend - a PFO makes a *big* difference to their significance. >There's also far more going on at the sub-clinical level >before you get visible symptoms, by which time the damage >is done. So are you saying that once someone is bent then there is no point in attempting treatment? I have sent this in a mail that has yet to appear on the list, but are these venous bubbles? Could they not have been formed directly from gas in the divers mask? > > > > > Regardless of > > > > the achievements you have made with the WKPP, which are > > > > truly impressive, I > > > > am more inclined to believe a doctor who specialises in > > > > hyperbaric medicine than yourself. > > > > > >Your loss. > > > > Subjective. It could be considered you loss as well. > >I know how to deco, thanks to G. I too have learned from him. I reiterate that I am in no way challenging his deco procedures. > > > Not so sure. A prostitute would probably be able to give a > > trick or two on > > avoiding the clap, but a doctor would be far more likely to > > be able to tell > > you what is going on in the body with some degree of > > accuracy. Similarly, > > George and the WKPP are a wealth of information on deco > > practice, however, > > AFAIK none of them have spent enough time at med school, if > >Bill Mee is a doctor of microbiology (WKPP project engineer) Did he attended medical school? BTW I am not trying not to be provocative. > > > any time at all, > > to go up to a hyperbaric doctor and tell him he is wrong, > > particularly with > > the minute amount of information presented in the email. > >Dr Hamilton goes to the WKPP for advice... I thought the WKPP acted as test-ish subjects-ish? > > > I read somewhere that George was a stock broker. I believe > > that Dr Bennett > > is very active in his field, both treating patients and > > conducting research, so could hardly be called a theoretician. > >So just how much do you know about Dr Michael Bennett? >Does he actually dive? Not much. I don't know. What is the relevence of whether he dives or not? > > > By the same token though, I do not > > believe that any of the WKPP have ever sold their bodies for > > the sexual > > gratification of another party, but I also have never met any > > of them so > > that is pure speculation. > >Speculation appears to form the basis of your arguments. >Not the best basis on which to work. >I've tested G's decompression strategy to the best of >my ability, so I have a little more basis than speculation >on which to rate G's opinions over a doctor of whom I've >never heard. As I have already said, I am not challenging G's decompression strategy - I am not in the position to do that, just his rubbishing of Dr Bennetts study based on the information contained in one paragraph written by a newspaper journalist. > > > >Personally, I'd rather listen to someone who bets his > > >life on the outcome, rather than one who bets a published > > >paper. > > > > True, but this is not really relevant in this context. > > > > With apparently 0 incidents of DCI amongst WKPP members, how > > much experience > > does the WKPP have with DCI compared with a hyperbaric > > doctor? > >Sigh. You obviously have *no* idea about the WKPP. >The US Navy come to the WKPP for decompression advice, and >have sent their hyperbaric doctors to examine WKPP divers >after diving. Your point being? They have loads of experience at DCI avoidence. > > > Bottom line: > > Have the WKPP studied the formation of bubbles in the tear > > film of the human > > eye due to changes in ambient pressure? Probably not. Has Dr > > Bennett? Yes. > >The relevance being...? The relevence being that Dr Bennett has studied it and concluded that subjects with 20-30 bubbles in the tear film of their eyes also had DCI and those with 2-3 did not. G & the WKPP, AFAIK, have not studied this, so how can G justify his statement that it is bullshit - but I guess that you cannot answer that John. > >The issue is not so much whether additional bubbles appear in >the tear film after diving, but the interpretation & relevance >of the findings. Just finding bubbles isn't the same as DCI, >which isn't the same as needing treatment. I think that you are looking at this from the wrong angle. I don't believe that Dr Bennett even implies that these bubbles are the cause or part of the damaging part of DCI, there are simply 20-30 bubbles with subjects with DCI and 2-3 with subjects without, therefore, the possiblity exists for an easy test. > >John _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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