George, I'm sure you're biting your tongue to kept relations open with 
those guys. I don't lie about anything and I was right on the money with 
this one and you know it by our private emails. Truth is they are now going 
to change and so it is no longer an issue. As I said before, he has some of 
the best divers I seen, but it really boils down to what is being done in 
the leadership position.

I know that you and I have developed our own way of dealing with certain 
divers and Barnette will find his. One thing we have started this year is 
many in our group are taking turns to be responsible trip leaders on 
certain trips. This takes the load off Dave and myself of being the dick 
all the time. It also lets them feel the pressure of making sure all the 
bases are covered. Something those that just sign up to go will never feel 
or care about, because they will bailout when something goes wrong and say 
"its not my trip" or "I didn't let him go".

The truth is accidents happen, we both know this, only those who are 
prepared for them have reduced the number. Chances are we all will see 
another one, so we better get ready, starting today.... then if it doesn't 
happen, good.

Also, we are having a huge problem here with one of the local dive shops. 
They sell almost nothing but gear we do not recommend. The problem is 
divers can be trained only up to the padi bullshit stuff there, they do not 
have a program or anyone to teach technical diving there, but sell all the 
gear. Then the divers come to us for the training and think were are just 
going to let them in , then think we are just saying the gear sucks because 
they didn't buy it from the shop we deal with. Any suggestions will be 
appreciated.





     At 06:43 AM 2/25/02 -0500, George Irvine wrote:

>Joe, I think you guys need to lay down the law on who dives and how they do
>it when it is your show. This business of running a trip with non team
>players is going to result in a high percentage of bullshit happening. By
>the book, or not at all. We really need to distinguish ourselves in the
>regard, and let the assholes and idiots dive off of the usual boats with the
>rest of the usual suspects.
>
>All you have to do is look at how I run the WKPP and the dives that I do on
>to see how you avoid these problems.
>
>If you guys, and JT and Jason Weisacosky and anyone else in a leadership
>position in diving would take my attitude about it, we would see a clear
>difference. I think you are all seeing that I am right about this.
>
>The Salvation Army and the United Way handle the charity cases, we don't
>need to.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph Citelli [mailto:joe@po*.co*]
>Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:18 PM
>To: trey@ne*.co*; Wendell Grogan; Jim Cobb
>Cc: Capt JT; Techdiver; Michael Barnette
>Subject: Re: AUE Keys accident
>
>
>This guy has removed himself from diving, at least until he is medically
>cleared of any conditions that are a contraindication to it.  Were he
>attempting to dive (insane at this point) I agree there is an obligation to
>inform any and everyone who could be affected by it and attempt to prevent
>it for his own good and that of others.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: George Irvine <girvine@be*.ne*>
>To: Wendell Grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>; Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>Cc: Joe <joe@po*.co*>; Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>; Techdiver
><techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Michael Barnette <aocfishman@ho*.co*>
>Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:25 AM
>Subject: RE: AUE Keys accident
>
>
> > That is like our own Johnathan Gol - they hid his condition and his
> > violation of all my rules from me until he killed himself. Now I have to
> > treat my whole team like the morons that they are for covering up this
>kind
> > of thing.
> >
> > Liberalism is for Hillary Clinton, not for life threatening activities.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wendell Grogan [mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:33 AM
> > To: Jim Cobb
> > Cc: Joe; Capt JT; Techdiver; Michael Barnette
> > Subject: Re: AUE Keys accident
> >
> >
> > But is was true that at the time, in July, JT was very concerned over
> > how people might react to the incident.  Specifically, there was some
> > concern that no one would want to be her buddy if they knew.
> > Of course it is a testament to the quality of your team that was never
> > an issue ultimately.
> > Wendell
> >
> > Jim Cobb wrote:
> > >
> > > Christ, what rock have you been hiding under, Joe? That thread raged
> > > on for a couple of weeks. The incident was dissected to the nth
> > > degree. And the fact that it was Becky is hardly top secret, unless
> > > you have a rock.
> > >
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