We do.  This guy was playing by the rules - gear, gasses etc. and is a good
diver.  Both myself and Barnette have been diving with him before.  Everyone
else on the boat was known to someone who vouched for him.  We knew this to
be an easy dive, not too deep with little or no current and easy to watch
everyone on.  Thats why it was opened up to newcomers.

I agree that you have to take a zero tolerance position.  Most of the stuff
we do has no margin for error.

We mandate appropriate gasses, gear ete. and any one who doesn't play by the
rules doesn't get to play.  Period.  That is a big reason why almost all of
our trips are private charters.  That is also the reason why more than a few
have been pissed off at us.  My position is that I am not going to argue to
justify what I already know is right to someone living in a time warp.  I
just stay away.

None of want to be around the insanity because no matter what anyone might
say, letting someone die or get hurt is not an option.  We are going to help
and be in danger ourselves.

I'm all for anything that enhances safety and want no part of any lunacy.
Thats why  all of us dive together.  If the dive isn't with this group, I
stay home and read a book.

No matter how good we might think we are, there is ALWAYS room for change
and improvment.  Complacency kills in this sport.  We will rehash and
examine this incident to determine what changes, if any, might be useful and
implement them.



--- Original Message -----
From: George Irvine <girvine@be*.ne*>
To: Joseph Citelli <joe@po*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>; Wendell Grogan
<wgrogan@dc*.ne*>; Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
Cc: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>; Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
Michael Barnette <aocfishman@ho*.co*>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:43 AM
Subject: RE: AUE Keys accident


>
> Joe, I think you guys need to lay down the law on who dives and how they
do
> it when it is your show. This business of running a trip with non team
> players is going to result in a high percentage of bullshit happening. By
> the book, or not at all. We really need to distinguish ourselves in the
> regard, and let the assholes and idiots dive off of the usual boats with
the
> rest of the usual suspects.
>
> All you have to do is look at how I run the WKPP and the dives that I do
on
> to see how you avoid these problems.
>
> If you guys, and JT and Jason Weisacosky and anyone else in a leadership
> position in diving would take my attitude about it, we would see a clear
> difference. I think you are all seeing that I am right about this.
>
> The Salvation Army and the United Way handle the charity cases, we don't
> need to.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Citelli [mailto:joe@po*.co*]
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:18 PM
> To: trey@ne*.co*; Wendell Grogan; Jim Cobb
> Cc: Capt JT; Techdiver; Michael Barnette
> Subject: Re: AUE Keys accident
>
>
> This guy has removed himself from diving, at least until he is medically
> cleared of any conditions that are a contraindication to it.  Were he
> attempting to dive (insane at this point) I agree there is an obligation
to
> inform any and everyone who could be affected by it and attempt to prevent
> it for his own good and that of others.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George Irvine <girvine@be*.ne*>
> To: Wendell Grogan <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>; Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
> Cc: Joe <joe@po*.co*>; Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>; Techdiver
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Michael Barnette <aocfishman@ho*.co*>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:25 AM
> Subject: RE: AUE Keys accident
>
>
> > That is like our own Johnathan Gol - they hid his condition and his
> > violation of all my rules from me until he killed himself. Now I have to
> > treat my whole team like the morons that they are for covering up this
> kind
> > of thing.
> >
> > Liberalism is for Hillary Clinton, not for life threatening activities.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wendell Grogan [mailto:wgrogan@dc*.ne*]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:33 AM
> > To: Jim Cobb
> > Cc: Joe; Capt JT; Techdiver; Michael Barnette
> > Subject: Re: AUE Keys accident
> >
> >
> > But is was true that at the time, in July, JT was very concerned over
> > how people might react to the incident.  Specifically, there was some
> > concern that no one would want to be her buddy if they knew.
> > Of course it is a testament to the quality of your team that was never
> > an issue ultimately.
> > Wendell
> >
> > Jim Cobb wrote:
> > >
> > > Christ, what rock have you been hiding under, Joe? That thread raged
> > > on for a couple of weeks. The incident was dissected to the nth
> > > degree. And the fact that it was Becky is hardly top secret, unless
> > > you have a rock.
> > >
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