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Tsk, tsk, tsk..... so typical. George, no one in this entire thread brought up or said anything about you or your record (or any record) until you did, intervening in a usual bought of paranoia that, "I "demand" that we tell how we do things that you do not need to know about".... This wasn't even about you. It was about RGBM that existed way before WKPP started using it. When I called you on it, your (typical) response is to resort to personal attacks and libelous falsehoods. If I wanted to be like you, I would call in Alton Hall and threaten to sue for libel, like you do whenever anyone comes on here and says you're a cokehead. Then you go into a typical tirade about me wanting to not give you and WKPP credit, this time for diving with RGBM. Guess what, many people I know use RGBM (that don't belong to WKPP), and they are all data points that are testing it! As a matter of fact, I acknowledged in my first post that I liked it because of the rigorous testing. That certainly doesn't make WKPP the developer. Next you go into more about me denying your record... yawn.... none of us up here could really care less about your record. Or any "record" in diving for that matter - the last time I checked this wasn't a competitive sport (or a sport at all for that matter). I just want to explore wrecks and post pictures on my website to bring them to people who can't. I don't have some big urge to pound my chest and shout, "I'm the best because I've gone 18,000 feet and you haven't"! Then you get all upset when people ignore you as a bore. See the anatomy of the thread below. About my contribution??? I measure my contribution in the number of e-mails I receive from people that tell me they appreciate the pictures I post on my site that allow them to experience in some little way what they otherwise wouldn't have been able to see. That score is 5083. If you count overall hits to all the individual diving pages on my site it is many times higher. Oh, and one more thing, everybody knows what I look like (it's posted all over my site), and you're the only one that seems to have a problem with it.... Adios, Christina -----Original Message----- From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:56 AM To: christi5@ix*.ne*.co*; trey@ne*.co*; brw@la*.go* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: MORE:: RGBM vs VPM Deco Models Christina, I have no interest in any of what you do or think you are doing diving wise ( the shipwreck anecdotes are interesting, the diving is a travesty) , or any use of CCRs what so ever. If I want a gas extension device, I know the right way to do that, and have the records to prove it , as does Reinhard. When I get as many cave dives as I have ocean and wreck dives, I will be too old to dive. When I need to start listening to crap from somebody with a tiny fraction of my knowledge whom I have seen in person proving cluelessness beyond the pale, that will be what is called a "cold day in hell". The issue here is not your "bodybuilding" ( although as usual, this sport attracts some real weirdoes, and a ton of geeks), the issue is your and your idiot friends' insistence that the WKPP has not done what it has done and developed what is has developed. That denial is pretty obvious. I have watched all of you struggle with ignorance and a lack of information while I was doing the dives, creating gear , and producing great information that none of you want to acknowledge, and all of you want to claim as your own once it becomes too clearly correct to deny. You never did a dive that even equaled the time of one of my deco stops, yet you have all the answers and I know nothing? Again, ask Weinke what he thinks my contribution is. You don't want to hear it, and neither do any of you SWBS crowd, but reality keeps moving forward anyway. "Yank chains" all you want. The score is your contribution "0", mine immeasurable. By the way, your comment about me not liking girls who bodybuild is a hoot. If you want to see what an in-shape girl is supposed to look like, go to Pina's website. Guys are supposed to look like me, girls like her. Write that down, Christina. -----Original Message----- From: Christina Young [mailto:christi5@ix*.ne*.co*] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:02 PM To: trey@ne*.co*; brw@la*.go* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: MORE:: RGBM vs VPM Deco Models George (or should I say Katherine V, whatever... we all know you don't like girls that work out or bodybuild), Sure I don't do the dives you do (have no interest in diving in holes in the ground to see wet rocks), and you don't do the dives I do either. So there! You don't have anywhere near the North Atlantic wreck diving record that I have. You're just a wannabe. ;-) Just because CCRs may not be optimal for what you do with the WKPP (see http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?38602,from), doesn't mean they're not okay for any scenario (like ocean diving, especially for certain scenarios where they can reduce overall risk). Even you would like one for the ocean, rigged with a butt-mounted bailout like mine: http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?16992,subject That was your response to Kevin's post: http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?16980,subject Your other comments on rebreathers: http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?16950,subject We all know you want one! ;-) ;-) Sign up for Kevin's class, okay? Has nothing to do with money, though I heard that you expect to get stuff cheap or free for some reason.... It's fun to come on here every once in a while to yank your chain! You're a very funny character, a constant source of amusement. Unfortunately, the opportunity cost of me doing so is very high as my time is very expensive. So see ya later! Christina -----Original Message----- From: George Irvine [mailto:girvine@be*.ne*] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:17 AM To: christina@ch*.co*; trey@ne*.co*; brw@la*.go* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: MORE:: RGBM vs VPM Deco Models Christina, or is it Christopher, I am not going to sit here and let a disgusting transformer like you throw crap at me. I have no interest in using any MK15 Rb, and if you merely ask Kevin or Joe Ditturi why I don't use that or any other ccr, they could explain to your naive ass why they don't work for the diving we do. You can ask Wienke when we started using some of his work, and you can go back and look at the dives I did before you knew what the word "decompression" meant. You can ask Weinke what he thinks of my contribution to this aspect of diving. What is yours? Nothing. You don't do the dives, Chris, we do, and you don't have any business even attempting to discredit the work I have proven out in decompression. Your problem, like the rest of the wannabees on the rebreather list, is that nobody who really knows anything will waste any time talking to you, so out come the resentments and the bullshit. If you were even remotely serious about getting info from Bruce, you would have emailed him privately instead of being an asshole on here. Once again, the stroke crowd tries to disrupt a good discussion among knowledgeable players. I am sure you are real proud of the money you spent on your ccr, and I am sure it makes you feel like a "big swinging dick", but you don't have any business telling me I "can't afford one", and that I think tells everyone here where you and your pals are coming from - nowhere, not to mention the ignorance of a comment like that. -----Original Message----- From: Christina M. Young [mailto:christina@ch*.co*] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:34 PM To: trey@ne*.co*; brw@la*.go* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: MORE:: RGBM vs VPM Deco Models Pure rubbish. There you go again, turning the truth upside down. The fact is that I was one of the earliest fans of RGBM, way before you had ever even heard of it. Check the techdiver archives for the in-depth discussion we had about it back in March of 1995 (before you ever came along). As is typical, the WKPP types come along much later and imply they invented it. I wanted to get the RGBM algorithms and the source so that Phi can put it in his Palm DecoWeenie software, which is the best thing going in the way of decompression programs. I asked Chris Parrett to port Abyss over to the Palm several years ago, but he e-mailed me that there was no market for it. And to add to that, Abyss still doesn't support constant PPO2 divers, with or without RGBM (a beta is just getting started). If RGBM was developed, tested, etc under contract with the US Govt, or by a govt employee using govt resources, then it is required to be public domain (by law). Back when I worked in the aerospace industry, all source code for the weapons system software I developed under US govt contract was owned by the US govt, not the contractor. Privately developed stuff is totally different - we do not use govt labs for product development. As it is, Bruce Wienke e-mailed me privately, and said that RGBM was developed using his own personal resources (in Fortran on his PC). I assume this includes all of development - design, coding, simulation, testing, etc. Somehow I was under the assumption that this was developed and / or tested at Los Alamos National Labs, using LANL resources. Fair enough. By the way, I've heard that you've been looking around to take a Mk-15 rebreather class. Did you know that Kevin The Dude is going to be teaching one down in your area in mid-March? Give him a call at (814)395-3609 and he'll set you up. If you've been saving up your pennies, maybe you'll even be able to afford one from him this time around. Cheers, Christina -----Original Message----- From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:51 AM To: Young, Christina; brw@la*.go* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: MORE:: RGBM vs VPM Deco Models Why don't you tell us where we can get Intel's chip codes, Christina? They do a lot of Government work, too. The fact is you don't believe any of this works anyway because it does not fit your "reality", so it is unlikely that you have any real interest here in doing anything but what the rest of the onlookers do - "demand" that we tell how we do things that you do not need to know about. -----Original Message----- From: Young, Christina [mailto:christina.young@in*.co*] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:00 PM To: 'brw@la*.go*' Cc: 'techdiver@aquanaut.com' Subject: Re: MORE:: RGBM vs VPM Deco Models Hi Bruce, This is very interesting and convincing, RGBM certainly appears to more rigorously developed and tested compared to anything else out there. Since this was developed at LANL using U.S. Government supercomputers and other resources, it is public domain, right? Can you point me to where I can obtain the algorithms and source code? Thanks, Christina -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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